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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident didn't

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involve aliens at all it was completely

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silent it comes right over our head

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it's like he's also really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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eyes and said we're not alone hello and

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welcome to the show on Martin Willis

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your host and this is my last couple

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days here in Russia so next week the

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that's 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Eastern

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Standard Time I've been happy to be able

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such as our guests today Kevin Goodman

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he's in the UK and we're gonna be

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talking about the warminster UFO they

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used to be called the warminster thing

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and so that'll be exciting I got

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Alejandro Rojas coming up with the UFO

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updates in just a couple of minutes here

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the Monday night shows again and thank

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you for your patience it was just too

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difficult to do shoe shows here in

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Russia so I can't wait to get back home

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to the USA alejandro how are you I am

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doing well how are you doing great glad

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to talk you survived another trip I know

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this one was a long long long long trip

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it was long yes yeah and I really they

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don't keep you I know there's people

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sending me all kinds of things saying

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they're gonna you know they're

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contacting TSA to stop me at the airport

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and all that I will tell you that Russia

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just that what Russia Ministry of travel

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just came out with all these new

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traveling regulations people are a moon

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people are really upset because the

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airports are all clogged they're like

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doing things like weighing your cell

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phone in your laptop and charging you

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extra this all just happened two days

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ago so there's pictures on the news here

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showing you know the airports clogged

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everybody's quite flummoxed about the

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whole thing so we'll see what happens I

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got a dog I got to bring through I'm

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wonder if they're gonna weigh the dog

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his milk bones and everything well thank

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goodness it's a chihuahua I know yeah I

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can't can't be too bad with that they

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can't charge you more than 20 bucks

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about a couple under bucks but yeah I'm

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just gonna see what else they're gonna

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know like I say they're probably they're

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saying they're weighing everything

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clothes food and you name it I mean food

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that you need for like a baby or

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something like that yeah but anyway a

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bunch of experts Oh wah wah that's like

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20 bucks a pound that's right yeah but

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anyway hopefully I'll be stateside

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coming this weekend and back to the

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listeners starting on the Monday night

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show and of course the Wednesday night

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shows so and I've been really enjoying

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having you on live Alejandro

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we usually have to pre-record on

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Wednesdays so we'll be going back to

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that so I really appreciate you doing

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that again no problem you know I'm we

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might be able to arrange a Zbornak you

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do live going on forward do so yeah I

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might you know I'm toying with the idea

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of changing the time making a little bit

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earlier to accommodate you to make that

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happen but we'll all up I might send out

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a or anybody can you know write me an

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email with your thoughts on that at

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martinet podcast UFO and calm yeah we

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can work something and we might be able

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to work something out so let's talk ya

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wheelchair maybe not you didn't have to

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do that all right

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okay so what's happening in the UFO

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world what's that happenin so I've been

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ever since we talked last actually I've

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been in Vegas for the most part for the

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movements and compose iam frightened

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people might be going what but I think I

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said this the last show that I decided

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to go coaches and the main reason is

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that we give them a table at the UFO

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Congress and they give us a free table

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at their conference and so I decided

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that you know it would be kind of silly

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to kind of hurt our business or at least

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not get out there and tell people about

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the Congress if I wasn't out there and

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of course my big issue was some of that

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the topics and stuff I did felt met of

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the criteria that move on should stick

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to but that wasn't the only one that

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felt that way there were certainly a lot

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of people that had come up and shared

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their their feelings as well but

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regardless it was good I mean it's good

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I've got lots of friends at MUFON

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there's lots of good people there and we

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were able to talk to a meet with a lot

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of people so overall I'm really glad

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that it went so well that's good I met

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hadal mm-hmm oh I was just gonna say I

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know there was a little bit of

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controversy on the type of speakers they

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had there and was that Andrew passaggio

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or however you say his name said they

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had the actual proof he was gonna give

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everyone at the show about time travel

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did that is it is it true is there

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really time travel Alejandro did you

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hear that well there wasn't any there

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were claims that there are

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time travel but and in fact evening said

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he you know was part of a training core

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with Barack Obama who they trained for

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time travel and traveling to Mars and

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stuff like this and that he and Barack

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were you know chosen to be President and

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that he's going to be President one day

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and a lot of weird stuff essentially

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that you know they have block necks

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monsters on Mars that he thinks there

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may be plasia sores up there you know we

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there were a photograph not too long ago

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of a rock that looks somewhat maybe

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similar if you really squinted your eyes

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like I'm sort of dinosaur and he said

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that could be the same thing as the Loch

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Ness monster so it was some pretty wild

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stuff that was black backed up by

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nothing but his own anecdotal

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information we actually talked for a

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little while and he is a nice guy he's

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an intelligent person and that's what's

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difficult because is he is he where did

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he come up with this stuff is the hard

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part is he really actively seeking to

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fool people but I essentially told me

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you know let me know when you have

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something of substance and he claims

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that died he and Michael Saleh have

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enough information to get some

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government documents that prove his

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stories and I told him why I look

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forward to seeing that and and we'll see

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what happens I mean I am of course

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skeptical he'll be able to produce

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anything like that but but yeah just a

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lot of wild wild wild claims backed up

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by nothing but anecdotal information and

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you know um I guess it makes it even

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especially difficult for someone like me

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because I get and you pile in you as

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well I'm sure you know I get emails with

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wild claims on a regular basis several a

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week and yet claims are extraordinary I

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mean really really wild stuff that I

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couldn't have ever eternal upwe but that

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but they're just that knowing you know

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they're just stories from people so yeah

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III think that you know it's good to

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hold ourselves to a bit of a

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higher standard on these sort of things

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so especially move on which is supposed

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to be a scientific organization

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according to their mission statement so

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so you know I don't wish anybody any any

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ill-will or any or bad but I'm glad that

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this is over and hopefully going forward

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you know we'll be able to highlight some

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work of like some of your guests it

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sounds like you have a great guest today

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that that's the sort of thing that I

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think we should be paying more attention

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to right but overall you said you had a

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good time and was her definite where

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were some of the were there some really

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good ufo-related speakers at this show I

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I went through the guest list a long

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time ago and I can't remember who was

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there well you know Richard Dolan was

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there of course he's been talking

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letting people know he's been skeptical

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of these other claims as well and he did

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speak on that there were a couple other

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people Michael schrott was there oh yeah

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and Michael's great going over different

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cases although he was kind of arguing

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look a lot of these cases look like they

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are probably you know advanced military

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craft and I think that kind of plays in

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with the theme a bit but still you know

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he's not saying this out of nowhere he's

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a careful he is a researcher so yeah

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he's comparing it to different

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technologies and he's made these cool

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models I mean he's got like a dozen

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different models of different UFO

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sightings that he puts at his table and

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he even has these things where you can

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print them out you can cut them and fold

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them and make models of these sightings

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yourself so it's super cool stuff

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I love Michael's work and I didn't get

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to see any of the talks because I was

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busy out at our table but I did talk

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with Michael quite a bit and about all

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of those things and that really neat

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stuff and I saw him do this similar talk

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recently in Arizona so so that was

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really neat and I know there are a

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couple others but I need to go over this

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and purchase some of the DVDs of some of

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the others and watch them

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I didn't know most of the buzz of course

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was about some of the more spectacular

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stuff

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but mm-hmm so all the rest kind of got

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washed out kind of so you didn't hear

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much about anything but that speakers

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sure sure

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now listen up I told you just before we

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started here that I'm unable I don't

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know I was blocked here on your website

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last year and I can't get onto your

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website so I don't know what's going on

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in the UFO world what is there anything

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up been happening since last week well

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there are some things of course we do

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our daily UFO headlines and we've got

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quite a few up there and some

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interesting stuff but we do have an

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interesting exciting that Roger Marsh

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gave us it's pretty weird speaking of

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weird this sighting was allegedly at

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11:24 a.m. on June 25th 2017 and this

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was a gentleman who said he was at a

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fast-food drive-through in Moorpark

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California when he says he saw a cloaked

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aircraft that uncloaked

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and it had a US Air Force insignia on it

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so it's kind of funny Wow said that

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Keith saw this crap and he was looking

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right at it and his eyes hurt to look at

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it he says that he thinks it was using

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some kind of neural confusion which is

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kind of funny but he said paint and on

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the table he could see us AF zero zero

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three it was kind of a bright object it

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looked like it was around with some sort

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of like tail on the end of it he called

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it kind of like a cookie pan with some

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kind of stabilizer on the back but he

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said he looked at it and it was hard to

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see and had some sort of electromagnetic

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like disturbance that was going on in

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the area and it seemed like the cloaking

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device I kind of turned off and then it

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turned back on and couldn't see it

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anymore he said so we saw this thing

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kind of disappear right in front of his

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eyes he said it was about 450 feet above

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the eye 18

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overpass in Moorpark California so when

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he drew some illustrations that we have

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on the siding but this is certainly a

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who I don't remember ever getting a

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report like this so this is a weird one

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this is something different now what

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about you just talked a couple minutes

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ago about Michael's rat

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this sounds like a case for him to look

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into yeah I agree there's not much to

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make of it because I mean you don't have

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much to go on except with some witness

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testimony and pictures and it the

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pictures do not look like anything that

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you know looks like something that

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should be in the air in fact it looks

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kind of like have a bomb like a really

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old circular with like this tail on one

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side kind of like first nukes or

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something like that so so it's kind of a

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weird shape of course this person could

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just be messing with everybody and MUFON

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is looking into it so we'll see what

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they find out about yeah it's it's

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something different that's for sure

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Wow yeah and so what else is happening

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what else I just one other story I'd

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like to just kind of mention and this is

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from dr. Don Farkas and he's a Pisa

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wrote the book UFOs over Romania and he

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wrote an article for us that I think is

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really interesting essentially he was

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like you know everybody's talking about

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ETS and and all of these these different

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explanations kind of like that aliens

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are just people from another planet and

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he's saying hey we can't forget the work

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of Jacques Vallee and others who feel

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that there could be some other answers

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out there and these other ideas hyper

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civilisations so what he's kind of

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saying is it could be something that is

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beyond our comprehension that you know

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these things could be not material

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coming from you know possibly coming

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from other dimensions or just other

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types of life that that we are not

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familiar with so it's a really

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interesting article that get you

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thinking about alternatives to the extra

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tour

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draw hypotheses so I think people will

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find that interesting so far it looks

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like readers have there's been a few

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comments there so so yeah I would invite

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people to check that out and Lesley that

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on the front page of open minds that TV

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hey Alejandra have you heard about this

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this new campaign to launch of what is

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being called as laser SETI I mean I've

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heard I mean there's been talk about

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this laser said anything over the years

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and for a long time I mean even since

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the beginning of SETI practically when

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they talked about different ways they

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might be able to communicate or find

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communication so I know it's some other

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type of of course we didn't have the

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technology back then to do it so much

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and now you know there's been a lot of

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talk about hey this could be something

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that they're using yeah they're know

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they're trying to launch up and I just

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I'm sorry to interrupt you there you

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know I just saw I saw on IndieGoGo I get

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you know email alerts from them and so

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they're launching a campaign

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a GoFundMe type of situation and I think

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they're about halfway into the campaign

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and these things are going to be

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distributed

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you know worldwide and looking for

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signals worldwide I mean in a scope of

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360 degrees and not just one area of the

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sky so it's gonna it's really

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interesting I sent a note out to seth

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shostack to see if he's up for talking

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about it we'll see what happens but I

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know they're starting to move forward

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with the ideas what what I'm seeing yeah

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and I didn't realize that the idea had

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been around for a long time yeah yeah so

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interesting yet that it's tones again

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though still it's using technologies

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that you know and kind of to do dr.

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Farkas is point it's using technologies

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that were aware of and in this case yes

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just a couple technology

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when there's so many different

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possibilities out there I mean recently

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they were able to buy locate a photon so

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essentially they're talking about Oh a

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teleporter has been made but that they

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were able to tell us instantaneously a

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photon from one area to another so I

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mean quantum communications is something

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that people have talked about using that

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technology because of course it's one

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photons one small little thing but if

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you could use that to do bits and bytes

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and stuff like you know it's easier to

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use that sort of technology for actual

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communication instead of actual instead

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of physical material so I know in and

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that could be and people have talked

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about this in SETI as well it could be

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some sort of technology like that that

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is still beyond our grasp but is

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something we haven't developed or

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perhaps even a conceit haven't even

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conceived of yet I believe that I

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believe you're 100% on target with that

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there's so many you know it's better

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than doing nothing but it is I agree

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but because it could be some way word

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signal you know that wasn't maybe even

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intended tonight necessarily be a

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message now success szostak will say it

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takes so much energy to blast you know

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signals out that if there was a signal

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that came to us then it was probably

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intentional but it would have taken a

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ton of energy so it's likely that if we

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receive a signal then it was intended

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for us for that reason but who knows it

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could be you know something flying by

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that releases some sort of errant signal

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that we're able to detect that's what

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the WoW signal could have been who knows

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yeah and we we may develop a different

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way of detecting as far as space

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telescopes go you know satellite you

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know type of technology down the road

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where we can possibly detect life in

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other ways on you know planets somehow

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as our technology gains that'll have

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nothing to do with anything SETI has

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been trying to attempt

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mm-hmm so these are all things this is

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all speculation but you know things that

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could have that right yeah so right

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right I guess so do you have any more

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anything else you'd like to talk about

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real quickly before we say goodnight I

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know that's about it but looking forward

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to having you back in the States my

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friend oh so am i and I said good night

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it's it's night here in Russia it's

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morning where you're at and who knows

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what time it is where any of the live

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listeners are so thanks so much hala Han

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Dro yep thank you and have a great job

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all right I'll talk to you on Monday

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thank you later all right

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so our guests coming up is his Kevin

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Goodman now Kevin was on our show boy I

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want to say back in 2 3 2013 I believe

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it was and he actually had a sighting at

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warminster and we're gonna be talking

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about that I hope you have taken a

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little bit of time to research this is

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quite an interesting flap that was going

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on and we're gonna be talking about a

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number of things so Kevin how are you

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welcome to the show again thank you very

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much Marty no I'm fine thank you caught

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with my underwear down because I

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obviously I said to you earlier I

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thought this was going out on Saturday

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and of course it's now going out today

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yes that's that's no problem

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I'm just glad you could you you could do

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it you didn't make any plans and here we

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are so we did your room looks a little

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dark that's it though you can't do

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anything about that sadly not and

496
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personally oh yeah sorry that's okay

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we'll just we'll just continue the way

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it is which is fine so Kevin can you

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give your background be your basic

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background so the listener who may not

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be familiar with you can get to know you

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well there are a lot of people that

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aren't familiar with me to be honest I

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was brought up a good little Catholic

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boy I went to a Catholic junior school

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and I have the religion rammed down my

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throat basically and so

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at the age of nine when I rebelled you

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know not in any sort of violent way or

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anything like that but I started to

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question the teachings of the church and

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because I was a child of the space age

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then obviously my eyes tended to go more

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heavenwards so many interesting you pose

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be young then um so how young would you

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say that you as you were interested in

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the topic I would say from about nine or

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ten years of age onwards Wow now for any

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particular reason did anyone in your

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family have a sighting or anything like

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that or what do you remember what it was

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that made you fascinated in it to begin

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with

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well no as I said my family were quite

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strict Catholic so any thoughts of God

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is a spaceman they're sort of almost

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looked upon as being heresy but my eye

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my father used to get a daily paper in

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this country called the Daily Mirror I

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think it was in the mirror that some

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excerpts from Erich von Daniken's

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chariots the gods ha ha

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was serialized and of course immediately

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that struck a chord with me Wow and and

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you did you start reading regular UFO

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books entered a young age not straight

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away I mean I know this sort of almost

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contradicts what I said about my parents

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but my father actually was given a book

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by one of his workmates and it was

541
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called the UFO reader by Jay David which

542
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:51,330
was a sort of anthology of various UFO

543
00:23:56,509 --> 00:23:54,480
cases and I devoured it and from that

544
00:23:58,159 --> 00:23:56,519
day onwards if I could go to the local

545
00:24:00,680 --> 00:23:58,169
library when I was old enough I would

546
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:00,690
but you know borrow any books on the UFO

547
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:04,799
phenomena could find Wow okay and now

548
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:10,080
the warminster UFO you kind of took the

549
00:24:16,460 --> 00:24:12,090
reins on that one can you talk about how

550
00:24:20,269 --> 00:24:16,470
all that happened yeah well as I said

551
00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:20,279
you know I was basically both borrowing

552
00:24:25,659 --> 00:24:22,529
books from the library and then in the

553
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:25,669
early to mid 1970s in England a

554
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:26,930
publishing come

555
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:30,290
they called tandem started to reprint in

556
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:32,210
paperback a lot of the old classic UFO

557
00:24:44,890 --> 00:24:35,690
books people like Brad Steiger brings on

558
00:24:48,670 --> 00:24:44,900
the poet wrenched on ke ho whoops we

559
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:48,680
have it looks like we have a Skype

560
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:53,120
freeze here let me see what I can do I

561
00:24:58,900 --> 00:24:56,150
might have to hang in everybody live we

562
00:25:01,960 --> 00:24:58,910
are definitely having problems with the

563
00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:01,970
internet here this is satellite internet

564
00:25:07,090 --> 00:25:04,310
here in Russia and I apologize for that

565
00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:07,100
but I think it's on Kevin's end so I'm

566
00:25:13,570 --> 00:25:10,540
going to I'm gonna try to hang up and

567
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:13,580
give them a call back so hang in there

568
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:17,930
everyone listening live and we'll get

569
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:27,410
this going again here okay and I know

570
00:25:37,570 --> 00:25:34,970
that Kevin is on a London Wi-Fi I

571
00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:37,580
believe it's public Wi-Fi that just goes

572
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:44,360
out but it's been up it has been working

573
00:25:50,140 --> 00:25:47,450
really well for him according to him now

574
00:25:56,750 --> 00:25:50,150
it's not working but we'll give it we'll

575
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:07,960
all right so he is not picking up so

576
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,700
what do I do in a case like this all

577
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:14,880
right I I'm gonna wait a minute I'll try

578
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,120
if you're in the chat room and you'd

579
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,120
like to give a call to the show and talk

580
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:24,240
about either a UFO sighting I see Mike

581
00:26:31,010 --> 00:26:27,809
you just posted something in the chat if

582
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:31,020
you want to give a call dial either my

583
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:34,740
skype name which is marty willis that's

584
00:26:41,419 --> 00:26:39,210
ma RT y wi ll is you can go ahead and

585
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:41,429
Skype that or if you'd like to call

586
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,980
that's 603 nine six seven four oh three

587
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:49,200
oh and if you're listening live please

588
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,679
do give a call talk about a sighting or

589
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:55,260
just just any topic you'd like to chat

590
00:27:02,240 --> 00:26:58,710
about go ahead and I will try Kevin one

591
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:02,250
more time here and see if I can get them

592
00:27:08,659 --> 00:27:04,890
back on but please do feel free to

593
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,669
either call or skype in because I really

594
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:10,200
don't want to cancel this show if I

595
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:14,960
don't have to all right

596
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:19,230
so Kevin is not answering so go ahead

597
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:22,169
and if you want to call in or even you

598
00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:23,490
know just throw with something on the

599
00:27:33,970 --> 00:27:26,760
chat if you'd like a question to talk

600
00:27:36,770 --> 00:27:33,980
about I have been here in Russia now for

601
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:36,780
44 days I think it's been and I've been

602
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:39,480
looking for local people it's hard to

603
00:27:42,740 --> 00:27:41,250
strike up a conversation about UFOs

604
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:42,750
never mind

605
00:27:48,919 --> 00:27:45,210
it's finding someone that speaks English

606
00:27:50,450 --> 00:27:48,929
I've only in the 44 days that have been

607
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:50,460
here I think that's only happened a

608
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,490
couple of times where someone can speak

609
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:55,380
good enough English to carry on a

610
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:58,140
conversation so that's not happening but

611
00:28:05,419 --> 00:28:01,320
I'm very interested in different

612
00:28:06,860 --> 00:28:05,429
countries that have you know UFO

613
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:06,870
sightings so that not too many people

614
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:08,169
talk about

615
00:28:15,479 --> 00:28:10,960
and so if your I just saw someone from

616
00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:15,489
Vienna on the edoardo if you hear me

617
00:28:25,409 --> 00:28:17,470
Eduardo if you'd like to give a call

618
00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:25,419
either at 1 603 967 403 o1 is the

619
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:29,169
country code or you can Skype me at

620
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:33,609
marty willis that's ma RT y wi ll is

621
00:28:39,749 --> 00:28:35,230
that's my skype name

622
00:28:41,129 --> 00:28:39,759
so if Eduardo you want to call in tell

623
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,139
me what's going on Vienna

624
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:44,320
love to hear from you and here's Kevin

625
00:28:53,820 --> 00:28:47,460
let's see if this works

626
00:28:56,940 --> 00:28:53,830
Kevin are you there was that your up you

627
00:28:58,109 --> 00:28:56,950
know it's funny I have up I haven't let

628
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:58,119
me try someone just called I been

629
00:29:04,590 --> 00:28:59,830
begging for people to call let me see if

630
00:29:09,239 --> 00:29:04,600
I can call hello

631
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:09,249
did you call in your hello caller you're

632
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,190
on the line call Mike hi Mike thanks for

633
00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:14,320
calling him now luckily we just got our

634
00:29:19,950 --> 00:29:17,950
guests back but you know what you Kevin

635
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:19,960
had some trouble with his internet but

636
00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:21,970
he is back but I do appreciate you

637
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:23,019
calling Mike you were on the chat

638
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,559
obviously did you want to did you want

639
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:28,960
to talk about quickly about any sighting

640
00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:30,609
in particular or anything like that or

641
00:29:37,409 --> 00:29:32,820
do you have a question for Kevin in

642
00:29:41,629 --> 00:29:37,419
England um but I tell you a funny story

643
00:29:45,539 --> 00:29:41,639
about a sighting sure go ahead

644
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:45,549
okay um I was driving home from my

645
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:47,710
cousin's house late one night it was

646
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:50,710
about 2:00 in the morning and pulled up

647
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:53,769
to the end of their street and there's a

648
00:29:59,070 --> 00:29:55,720
stop sign there start to go around the

649
00:30:02,369 --> 00:29:59,080
corner and there was two blocks down and

650
00:30:05,369 --> 00:30:02,379
between the trees there was a triangular

651
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,379
craft hovering between the trees about

652
00:30:09,930 --> 00:30:07,840
30 feet off the ground I would say and

653
00:30:13,489 --> 00:30:09,940
it had three lights on it and then it

654
00:30:15,749 --> 00:30:13,499
had like a red light in the center and I

655
00:30:17,639 --> 00:30:15,759
started driving towards it because my

656
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:17,649
brain said well that's a UFO but I

657
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:18,809
didn't want to believe it

658
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:21,490
so I started driving towards it well

659
00:30:28,169 --> 00:30:24,280
got about a block and a half and then I

660
00:30:30,210 --> 00:30:28,179
stopped and I was like that's UFO and it

661
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,220
was facing in the direction that was

662
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:32,890
away from me and it was moving slowly

663
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,220
away but then it started backing up

664
00:30:45,390 --> 00:30:40,960
well actually what happened is I stopped

665
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:45,400
and then I put my car in reverse and I

666
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:48,370
floored it and the craft came backwards

667
00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:50,260
and it came over my car and my car

668
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,340
engine died and I was sitting right back

669
00:30:59,310 --> 00:30:56,080
at the stop sign where I had turned that

670
00:31:03,990 --> 00:30:59,320
and I looked up and down the street and

671
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:04,000
there was nobody around so I you know me

672
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:06,070
I'm very knowledgeable about UFOs and

673
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:10,030
aliens so my first thought was how do I

674
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,110
get out of the situation because I'm

675
00:31:14,250 --> 00:31:13,120
about to be abducted and I thought well

676
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:14,260
they hate witnesses

677
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:18,130
so I started slamming on my horn and I

678
00:31:22,890 --> 00:31:19,660
jumped out of the car and I started

679
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:22,900
running down the street and back towards

680
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,970
my cousin's house and it just so happens

681
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,559
that I was lucky because there was a

682
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:28,720
party going on at one of the houses on

683
00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:31,420
the corner and about 50 people came

684
00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:33,670
running out and they all saw this craft

685
00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:37,990
hovering over my car and then the craft

686
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:40,870
just shot straight up but the two funny

687
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:42,910
things the story is they said that I

688
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:46,660
screamed like a little girl and the

689
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:49,390
event happened on April 1st

690
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:53,200
oh no yeah and yeah tried to get

691
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:54,370
everyone to believe you on that one

692
00:32:01,160 --> 00:31:56,230
wow that's interesting you know so many

693
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:01,170
of the the triangular UFOs that people

694
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:03,970
described have that red light in the

695
00:32:11,390 --> 00:32:08,170
center and also it's funny I actually

696
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:11,400
spoke with someone at an auction gallery

697
00:32:15,419 --> 00:32:13,210
someone that I've known a long time

698
00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:15,429
that's kind of said the same thing it

699
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:17,500
was a triangle and they got out of the

700
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:20,110
car and the thing moved back of course

701
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:23,020
they didn't they they were panicking you

702
00:32:30,659 --> 00:32:27,040
know also but if they just stopped right

703
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:30,669
over them I guess basically so you had

704
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,710
about 50 witnesses did you ever report

705
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:34,320
this

706
00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:36,970
yeah it's actually on the national UFO

707
00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:39,820
Reporting Center if you go out and look

708
00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:44,440
for it's either 1999 2000 or 2001 go out

709
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:47,230
to April 1st and it's called UFO chase

710
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,530
me and I actually reported it great well

711
00:32:54,270 --> 00:32:52,480
that's awesome well Mike thanks so much

712
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,280
our guest is back I really appreciate

713
00:33:00,480 --> 00:32:57,240
you going to bat and filling in while

714
00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:00,490
Kevin was missing so I appreciate that

715
00:33:03,330 --> 00:33:02,350
um you're welcome Martin all right you

716
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,340
take care you're welcome

717
00:33:10,380 --> 00:33:06,640
all right but you do all right bye

718
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,390
okay Kevin so let me see if I know he's

719
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:13,360
gone very good so that was an

720
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:16,660
interesting sighting huh yes I mean it

721
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:19,030
sort of got shades of the x-files almost

722
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:22,570
doesn't it yeah that's right bizarre but

723
00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:26,650
that was good thinking too you know beep

724
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:28,270
on the horn and all that I don't know if

725
00:33:32,340 --> 00:33:30,100
I dare to you know I think if something

726
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,350
like that was right over my car I'd be

727
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:34,960
afraid to do about anything but I think

728
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:38,260
I think the important thing is is to get

729
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:39,850
as many independent witnesses as

730
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:41,830
possible yeah that's something like that

731
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:43,450
because you've got a hell of a more

732
00:33:47,490 --> 00:33:44,950
chance of being believed if there are

733
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:47,500
more witnesses yeah that's right he was

734
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:50,140
all alone no one saw it or anything like

735
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:52,930
that that's almost a story that someone

736
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,050
would say yeah right you know but when

737
00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:58,960
you get that many witnesses it's that is

738
00:34:02,490 --> 00:34:01,090
exciting and that was really good

739
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:02,500
thinking thinking on his feet to

740
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,490
actually make other at the Racquet

741
00:34:08,910 --> 00:34:07,330
absolutely and I mean you know it's a

742
00:34:11,220 --> 00:34:08,920
pity that by the sounds of it this

743
00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:11,230
wasn't followed up by someone oh the Sun

744
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:14,860
body of the description right right so

745
00:34:22,890 --> 00:34:19,330
let's let's talk about your situation

746
00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:22,900
and the warminster now where are you

747
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:24,880
located right now are you right in

748
00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:29,110
London no okay Laurie I know you said

749
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,000
you're someplace has free Wi-Fi no no

750
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:34,800
London does where where are you and Rory

751
00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:39,790
I'm actually back in the area in which I

752
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:43,270
was born which is 12 miles east of a

753
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:45,940
sorry west of Birmingham it's doing full

754
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:46,510
Stourbridge

755
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:47,800
yeah

756
00:34:56,370 --> 00:34:53,169
and so the warminster area how far is

757
00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:56,380
that in reference to that we have

758
00:35:03,470 --> 00:34:59,560
clocked it going down by car it's a

759
00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:03,480
hundred and twenty miles away uh-huh

760
00:35:08,850 --> 00:35:06,340
and for the person that has absolutely

761
00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:08,860
no idea what we're talking about can you

762
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,940
go over and then how I got the the term

763
00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:14,800
the thing and all that and I know there

764
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:17,500
were some birds that died with some type

765
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:19,360
of vibration noises that were happening

766
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:21,850
and it was kind of a very unusual so can

767
00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:24,760
you describe in detail what was going on

768
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:28,120
right well the the reason why it was

769
00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:30,150
initially known as the war mister thing

770
00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:35,190
was because in those days which was 1964

771
00:35:46,340 --> 00:35:41,560
1965 warminster was a small County a

772
00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:46,350
country town Bay in in Wiltshire and

773
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:49,660
very few people in those days had heard

774
00:35:56,010 --> 00:35:53,770
of the term UFO flying saucer was

775
00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:56,020
probably one of the more popular sort of

776
00:36:01,800 --> 00:35:59,230
descriptions going around so it was

777
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:01,810
named the thing because they couldn't

778
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:04,450
find anything else better to describe

779
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:08,910
what was happening around the town and

780
00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:11,230
so there was up I heard there was a

781
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:14,080
debunking tour people trying to debunk

782
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:17,050
it simply by saying you know it's it's

783
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:20,440
ridiculous and all that which you you do

784
00:36:26,610 --> 00:36:22,570
hear a lot when anything like this

785
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,620
happens was that ever overcome or do did

786
00:36:35,790 --> 00:36:28,720
do people still try to debunk the whole

787
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:35,800
situation people do try to debunk it the

788
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:38,050
the problem with warminster as I said

789
00:36:44,370 --> 00:36:40,980
earlier was that it was in the 1960s now

790
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:44,380
there was no great communications

791
00:36:48,750 --> 00:36:47,290
network in those days as we have now so

792
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:48,760
everything that was coming out of the

793
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:52,120
town was either secondhand or written

794
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,210
down and then possibly misinterpreted

795
00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:58,000
but going back to what I've always said

796
00:37:00,859 --> 00:36:59,950
is that I have experienced the

797
00:37:04,819 --> 00:37:00,869
phenomenon

798
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,829
and believe you me something strange did

799
00:37:11,749 --> 00:37:07,440
happen in that town there is no two ways

800
00:37:16,309 --> 00:37:11,759
about it and can you describe what

801
00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:16,319
people were seeing yes I mean initially

802
00:37:25,220 --> 00:37:20,900
the whole thing started out with noises

803
00:37:28,339 --> 00:37:25,230
basically for example I mean in shuttle

804
00:37:31,579 --> 00:37:28,349
woods first book the war mr. mystery he

805
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:31,589
tells a story of a war mister woman who

806
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:34,619
was on her way to midnight mass in 1964

807
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:38,369
and she was apparently assailed by sonic

808
00:37:43,009 --> 00:37:40,920
sounds and pressure as she walked toward

809
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:43,019
his church and it made her sort of

810
00:37:47,029 --> 00:37:44,460
collapse to her knees and left her

811
00:37:51,380 --> 00:37:47,039
frightened later on there were things

812
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:51,390
like noises other people said sounded

813
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,339
like branches being brushed across the

814
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:55,680
roofs of their houses pebbles being

815
00:38:02,720 --> 00:37:59,220
dropped onto the roofs of houses so all

816
00:38:07,729 --> 00:38:02,730
this sort of initial almost introductory

817
00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:07,739
phenomenon started in 9899 through till

818
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:10,559
1965 until the first visual sighting was

819
00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:14,420
made which was made by a council worker

820
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:17,999
in the war mister central car park where

821
00:38:20,779 --> 00:38:19,140
he was looking over towards the

822
00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:20,789
direction of cradle Hill and cop Heath

823
00:38:27,799 --> 00:38:24,779
where he actually then saw to what he

824
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:27,809
described as two red-hot pokers hanging

825
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:30,569
in the sky which then first asunder and

826
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,960
disappeared without any sound wow that's

827
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:36,960
a very unusual description red hot

828
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,170
pokers so I'm guessing that it's kind of

829
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:42,960
like a sort of like a bright orangish

830
00:38:49,759 --> 00:38:47,119
color or red you know reddish orange

831
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,769
yeah right would say probably similar to

832
00:38:55,539 --> 00:38:51,660
the sort of colors you'd see he you know

833
00:39:02,089 --> 00:38:55,549
sort of the only good sunset I see

834
00:39:03,739 --> 00:39:02,099
so hey David Matt early on the chat you

835
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:03,749
can go ahead and get lost if you'd like

836
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:08,390
okay I'm sorry I just had to say that

837
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:10,890
anyway and Monica you can take them out

838
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:14,380
go ahead anyway

839
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:19,480
so I want to know this first visual

840
00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:21,850
sighting you actually saw this thing

841
00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:22,510
going on

842
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,240
so can you can you talk about that use

843
00:39:30,810 --> 00:39:28,240
and what what how many years after the

844
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:30,820
fact was that well the first visual

845
00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:34,390
sighting I would say about six months

846
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:36,790
approximately no I mean I mean possibly

847
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:38,970
other things had been seen in the town

848
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:41,290
previously to that but whether they were

849
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:44,020
recorded or reported to someone we don't

850
00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:47,410
know yeah so what about yourself though

851
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:49,300
you what did you see when you were there

852
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:53,290
oh well what didn't I see your

853
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:54,670
experience that as opposed to the

854
00:40:04,230 --> 00:39:58,480
question well I started to go down as a

855
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:04,240
student in 1976 and that year in this

856
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:05,590
country it was one of the hottest

857
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:09,070
summers on record and on the Saturday

858
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:11,250
night we were taken up to Cradle Hill

859
00:40:17,220 --> 00:40:14,010
and it was so hot

860
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:17,230
still I mean I swear blind you could

861
00:40:23,940 --> 00:40:19,930
have boiled eggs off the tarmac on the

862
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:23,950
road there the Sun had set and in those

863
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:27,370
days people were using what we now call

864
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:30,850
UFO detectors which work on the theory

865
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:34,090
that magnetic pulses from the UFOs would

866
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:36,790
disturb the net the Earth's natural

867
00:40:43,050 --> 00:40:41,410
magnetic field and there was a it was

868
00:40:45,330 --> 00:40:43,060
battery-powered and there were two

869
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:45,340
contact points with a compass needle if

870
00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:48,520
the magnetic field fluctuated the the

871
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,460
the pointer would would move touch one

872
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:53,410
of the electrodes to the side of it and

873
00:40:59,700 --> 00:40:56,830
then the buzzer would go off so we were

874
00:41:03,270 --> 00:40:59,710
scanning the skies and then these two

875
00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:03,280
bright starlight objects was seen to go

876
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:03,700
across

877
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:07,000
they turned immediately sort of right

878
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:09,280
they were very high up and then

879
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:11,050
disappeared and then immediately they

880
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,330
disappeared the two detectors went off

881
00:41:18,090 --> 00:41:15,520
simultaneously they were sheltered away

882
00:41:20,700 --> 00:41:18,100
from any wind anything they was you know

883
00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:20,710
they were completely protected so that

884
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:22,510
was the very first sighting I had and

885
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:24,250
from that day onwards I vowed to keep

886
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:27,670
going back Wow and how many times would

887
00:41:31,329 --> 00:41:28,160
you say

888
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:31,339
you went back and did you see something

889
00:41:37,450 --> 00:41:35,839
most of the time I've lost count when it

890
00:41:42,609 --> 00:41:37,460
returns I've been back now to be honest

891
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:42,619
with you I I mean it was in 1977 it was

892
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:46,190
Easter and we would my friend and I

893
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:49,190
Coleen Reese were walking down from the

894
00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:51,049
cops at the top of Cradle Hill Cradle

895
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:52,280
Hill being the main sky watching

896
00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:55,220
location and there was nobody else about

897
00:42:01,329 --> 00:41:58,730
and we just stopped and looked over to

898
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:01,339
our right and there were these four red

899
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:04,960
lights coming towards us over the Downs

900
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:08,960
equally spaced apart just pulsing they

901
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,700
carried on coming across and so they

902
00:42:16,059 --> 00:42:13,520
stayed stationary over battles Berryhill

903
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,069
which is not iron-age fort which is

904
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:17,839
directly in front of the crater hill

905
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:19,910
Skywatch point they were completely

906
00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:21,950
additionally spaced to pass as I said in

907
00:42:27,549 --> 00:42:24,619
a line flashing and they must have hung

908
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:27,559
there in silence for getting on towards

909
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:29,930
a minute and then immediately the

910
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:33,049
left-hand object shot off at high speed

911
00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:35,420
from the standing start performed a

912
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:38,119
flawless 90-degree turn without stopping

913
00:42:42,940 --> 00:42:40,880
upwards and shot into the sky the other

914
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:42,950
three objects then stayed there flashing

915
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,049
for about another 30 seconds and then

916
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:48,079
just shot straight up again now it was a

917
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:53,569
moonless night it was past dusk there

918
00:42:57,819 --> 00:42:55,970
was no wind and it was that still you

919
00:42:59,650 --> 00:42:57,829
could hear the trains going through the

920
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,660
the railway station in war mister which

921
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:01,520
was about half three-quarters of a mile

922
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:03,890
away but these babies did not make a

923
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:07,190
sound Wow you know I gotta tell you when

924
00:43:13,269 --> 00:43:11,270
I had my one really good sighting the

925
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:13,279
one that I could not explain any type of

926
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:16,640
way and I wasn't into the UFO subject at

927
00:43:22,990 --> 00:43:19,730
all but that was the most baffling thing

928
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:23,000
of all was the fact that it made no

929
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,579
sound because at this it didn't register

930
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:27,920
in my brain like how can this thing be

931
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:29,690
moving and doing what it's doing and

932
00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:32,319
there'd be no sound I couldn't get that

933
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:36,200
we just stood there slack-jawed you know

934
00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:38,420
I mean I've been coming to warminster on

935
00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:41,750
and off for 18 months or so something

936
00:43:47,410 --> 00:43:43,640
like

937
00:43:49,749 --> 00:43:47,420
and that you know it was it might sound

938
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:49,759
trite but it was almost like a religious

939
00:43:56,910 --> 00:43:53,140
experience it was for me at least a

940
00:43:59,950 --> 00:43:56,920
life-changing moment suddenly I realized

941
00:44:02,529 --> 00:43:59,960
there is something in this you know it

942
00:44:05,289 --> 00:44:02,539
can't be explained a baby but by away by

943
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:05,299
high flying satellites natural

944
00:44:11,140 --> 00:44:07,910
phenomenon or even secret military

945
00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:11,150
testing because although the place where

946
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,190
we saw the sighting was on the cusp of

947
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:15,200
our meal and which is the sole treaty

948
00:44:22,210 --> 00:44:19,670
plane training area even today we

949
00:44:25,809 --> 00:44:22,220
haven't got anything that can perform

950
00:44:28,749 --> 00:44:25,819
that that kind of maneuver at all we are

951
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:28,759
talking at the time when the phantom jet

952
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:30,950
was probably the highlight of the

953
00:44:37,319 --> 00:44:35,150
military technology now when I mentioned

954
00:44:41,499 --> 00:44:37,329
earlier I know there was some people

955
00:44:45,069 --> 00:44:41,509
debunking you know trying to debunk this

956
00:44:47,289 --> 00:44:45,079
what were they actually attributing what

957
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:47,299
was happening what were they attributing

958
00:44:53,410 --> 00:44:50,660
it to they're attributing it to again

959
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:53,420
secret military testing mass hysteria

960
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:58,730
and basically media hype I mean Arthur

961
00:45:03,759 --> 00:45:00,920
shuttle would who really put war mister

962
00:45:07,809 --> 00:45:03,769
on the map was a reporter for the local

963
00:45:10,779 --> 00:45:07,819
journal the wall mister journal and you

964
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:10,789
know he really became a sort of guru for

965
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,640
people who were visiting the town to

966
00:45:18,660 --> 00:45:16,400
look for the UFOs for the phenomenon the

967
00:45:22,299 --> 00:45:18,670
enigma the thing caught it what you want

968
00:45:25,539 --> 00:45:22,309
and he would spend night after night

969
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:25,549
after night up on cradle Hill looking

970
00:45:34,269 --> 00:45:28,930
and reporting any sightings that he saw

971
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:34,279
Wow well and when would you say the last

972
00:45:42,579 --> 00:45:39,710
known sighting there was well I think to

973
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:42,589
be honest you've got more chance of

974
00:45:46,809 --> 00:45:44,569
seeing a UFO in any other part of the

975
00:45:50,769 --> 00:45:46,819
country or in the world even these days

976
00:45:53,319 --> 00:45:50,779
but it must have been about six seven

977
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:53,329
years ago that I was last contacted by

978
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,550
someone via the website

979
00:45:59,800 --> 00:45:57,680
to explain something similar to what

980
00:46:02,560 --> 00:45:59,810
I've seen that Easter night that had

981
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:02,570
happened over the long leads estate so

982
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:05,360
yeah UFOs are still seen in the

983
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:07,130
Warminster area but it's definitely not

984
00:46:12,700 --> 00:46:09,110
only in the frequency that they used to

985
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:12,710
be yeah I've always have I've always

986
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:15,770
wondered what the miss mystery of UFO

987
00:46:21,850 --> 00:46:19,460
flaps could possibly be you know on some

988
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:21,860
cases it may be related to something

989
00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:24,950
natural you know a natural phenomena

990
00:46:32,980 --> 00:46:29,840
that occurs somehow but I just um you

991
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:32,990
try to of course any logic that we can

992
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:35,750
use as human is probably not going to

993
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,530
work on whatever logic whatever it is is

994
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:42,560
showing up but my logic says why would

995
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:44,690
they show up at the same place if they

996
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:50,240
can get from say Birmingham from another

997
00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:52,250
solar system or another galaxy or

998
00:46:57,220 --> 00:46:55,070
whatever why would they stay in the area

999
00:46:59,010 --> 00:46:57,230
why would they show up in that area over

1000
00:47:02,020 --> 00:46:59,020
and over again you know I mean that

1001
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:02,030
that's always baffled me have you ever

1002
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:07,220
given yeah you have to remember that the

1003
00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:09,320
wall mister area in wheelchair

1004
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:11,990
I mean it's otherwise known as the wall

1005
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:15,290
mister triangle I mean within spitting

1006
00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:18,590
distance you have Stonehenge Avebury

1007
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:22,220
Silbury Hill Glastonbury you've got a

1008
00:47:28,270 --> 00:47:26,570
lot of prehistoric sites that are shall

1009
00:47:30,670 --> 00:47:28,280
we say for want a better word mystical

1010
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:30,680
now whether that has something to do

1011
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:34,370
with it I don't know but people would

1012
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,770
come to warminster they would see

1013
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,170
something they would go back and tell

1014
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:40,880
their friends their friends would say oh

1015
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:43,070
that's interesting maybe we'll go down

1016
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,260
they go down the same thing happens

1017
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:47,450
again so the whole thing was basically

1018
00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:50,090
so perpetuating for getting on towards

1019
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:54,980
15 years that interesting we have we

1020
00:47:59,740 --> 00:47:56,600
have some questions that came in on the

1021
00:48:01,170 --> 00:47:59,750
forum and I'm gonna read you it's kind

1022
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:01,180
of a lengthy one here

1023
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:03,830
Jeremy Korbel who has been on this show

1024
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:07,410
before he's a filmmaker

1025
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:11,270
he has some old footage on his website

1026
00:48:19,460 --> 00:48:16,650
from the 1965 warminster town it's a

1027
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:19,470
hall hall meeting where witnesses speak

1028
00:48:24,849 --> 00:48:22,530
of what they saw and also footage of a

1029
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:24,859
report by two British policemen filed in

1030
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:27,960
1967 the policemen were later silenced

1031
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:30,630
under the Official Secrets Secrets Act

1032
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:34,319
in the clip the policemen draw the craft

1033
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:37,020
they claim followed their police car

1034
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:39,930
there's also a 1990 documentary I

1035
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,690
remember watching that on YouTube with

1036
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:44,520
some witness testimony are you aware of

1037
00:48:51,730 --> 00:48:47,480
any other video of witness testimony

1038
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:51,740
that you could direct our listeners to

1039
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:54,559
not as such I mean YouTube is a very

1040
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,079
useful tool for me it's quite amazing

1041
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:00,720
what does pop up there I mean there were

1042
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:03,720
one or two media programs made in the

1043
00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:06,930
60s in the early 70s by the BBC the

1044
00:49:13,279 --> 00:49:10,220
first was one called pie-in-the-sky

1045
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:13,289
which was broadcast again believing our

1046
00:49:21,799 --> 00:49:20,010
around April time in 1966 or 67 and that

1047
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:21,809
was a half hour programme which looked

1048
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:25,619
into the warminster mystery itself so as

1049
00:49:31,039 --> 00:49:28,260
I say there are are snippets that you

1050
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:31,049
can find on YouTube I mean going back to

1051
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,170
the question you've just read out the

1052
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:36,480
town hall meeting itself was called by

1053
00:49:42,769 --> 00:49:39,569
the council to allay fears that they

1054
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,779
were about to be invaded I believe John

1055
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:44,940
Cleary Baker who was then the chairman

1056
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:48,690
of new fora and the editor of flying

1057
00:49:54,529 --> 00:49:51,930
saucer review he was there and people

1058
00:49:56,210 --> 00:49:54,539
were locked out outside the Town Hall it

1059
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:56,220
was reported by most of the television

1060
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:00,240
crews of the time so there was a certain

1061
00:50:06,859 --> 00:50:03,450
amount of media frenzy involved now

1062
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:06,869
going back to the policeman sighting

1063
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:10,650
then actually I think was in 1967 which

1064
00:50:18,859 --> 00:50:12,930
I remember it well believe it or not

1065
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:18,869
even those any less than 10 in that the

1066
00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:21,330
worst was a spate in this country of UF

1067
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,540
sightings and it was around Guy Fawkes

1068
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:27,180
night because I remember hearing the

1069
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:29,490
rockets and the fireworks going up in

1070
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:31,380
the sky around my home and I was

1071
00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:32,610
thinking about scaling but there's off

1072
00:50:40,220 --> 00:50:37,470
the starters that particular footage was

1073
00:50:41,810 --> 00:50:40,230
actually I believe taken in Devon and it

1074
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:41,820
was what's known as the famous flying

1075
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,060
cross incident which debunkers and

1076
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,760
skeptics if you know you want to if the

1077
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:49,440
innit sits up to what people want to

1078
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:51,630
believe they say all they were doing was

1079
00:50:59,710 --> 00:50:55,170
chasing Venus ah I love that you hear

1080
00:51:02,660 --> 00:50:59,720
that you hear that quite often and

1081
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:02,670
that's the cross thing we had a guest a

1082
00:51:07,220 --> 00:51:05,190
class a swan that was on a couple weeks

1083
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:07,230
ago and he had a sighting with his wife

1084
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:10,080
and there was crosses you know you don't

1085
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:13,650
hear of that too often no you don't and

1086
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:15,900
I mean I always find it very sad

1087
00:51:22,700 --> 00:51:18,720
that those that are prepared for

1088
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,710
sightings and that believing in UFOs are

1089
00:51:27,050 --> 00:51:24,180
always the ones that never get to see

1090
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:27,060
them right right now you were prepared

1091
00:51:33,530 --> 00:51:30,510
when you were in Warminster yeah had

1092
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:33,540
there many sightings what about filming

1093
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:36,840
or photography were you able to get

1094
00:51:42,530 --> 00:51:39,300
anything that came out and looked like

1095
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:42,540
something now there is a story

1096
00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:44,400
I mean don't forget we are talking first

1097
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:49,230
of all the pre-digital age I had just

1098
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:51,930
passed because I just left college I had

1099
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:55,440
passed my photography course and I'd

1100
00:52:00,860 --> 00:51:57,690
taken down my camera which was a 35

1101
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:00,870
millimeter single reflex practica with a

1102
00:52:06,260 --> 00:52:03,450
screw-on telephoto lens

1103
00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:06,270
now one afternoon we were recovering

1104
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:08,430
from getting into the getting into the

1105
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:12,180
house from the hill in the early hours

1106
00:52:18,980 --> 00:52:16,440
and my friend who had nicked for - a

1107
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:18,990
better word the double bed that was

1108
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:21,450
facing the window I assumed it was

1109
00:52:25,490 --> 00:52:23,130
asleep he jumped off and he said what

1110
00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:25,500
the hell's that and I join him at the

1111
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:27,840
window and there was a cigar-shaped

1112
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:30,090
object going from right to left from

1113
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:34,440
copied over two walls downhill and

1114
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:35,970
for what you know this is too good at

1115
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,569
this is too good a chance to miss so

1116
00:52:43,339 --> 00:52:41,280
don't ask me what I did it cuz I don't

1117
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,349
know I ran downstairs screwing on the

1118
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:46,140
telephoto lens went outside into the

1119
00:52:50,500 --> 00:52:47,970
garden brace myself against the

1120
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:50,510
clothesline pole that was there and

1121
00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:55,200
focused exposed correctly shot off four

1122
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,440
shots the fault the fourth and final one

1123
00:53:02,839 --> 00:53:00,720
actually shows it approaching the trees

1124
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,849
on Elm Hill and my friend while I was

1125
00:53:06,799 --> 00:53:04,859
doing this yelled up Tilda sori yelled

1126
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,809
down to me said it's got to be real

1127
00:53:09,289 --> 00:53:08,220
because there are people on the hill and

1128
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,299
they're pointing at it

1129
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:11,400
well of course immediately I think to

1130
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:14,220
myself you know I've got proof you know

1131
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:17,400
this is not a fake so when I got home I

1132
00:53:23,059 --> 00:53:19,170
got the film developed and in those days

1133
00:53:26,180 --> 00:53:23,069
it took a week and when I got the

1134
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:26,190
photographs back there was blue sky gray

1135
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:28,170
clouds and on the fourth photograph the

1136
00:53:31,940 --> 00:53:30,150
tips of the trees on the arm Hill but

1137
00:53:34,809 --> 00:53:31,950
there was no bloody object now I had

1138
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:34,819
that thing dead centre in the viewfinder

1139
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:39,839
so what was it it was a physical object

1140
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:42,930
to us but it did not register on the

1141
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:45,510
film well you're not the first one to

1142
00:53:50,029 --> 00:53:48,359
say that you realize that I don't

1143
00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:50,039
actually to be honest no I've heard

1144
00:53:54,769 --> 00:53:51,500
other people say that they've taken

1145
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:54,779
shots of UFOs and nothing showed up on

1146
00:54:00,319 --> 00:53:56,609
their world their film just didn't you

1147
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:00,329
know was was no good well I've heard

1148
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:02,250
reports of films the film being fogged

1149
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,130
yeah but I never I don't think I've ever

1150
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:08,400
come across a case where whatever you

1151
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:10,020
were photographing was not on the film

1152
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:14,220
but everything else was yes I had a

1153
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,690
chase let's key on my show you know

1154
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:20,880
about the last time that you were on my

1155
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:23,250
show long time ago long time ago yeah

1156
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,210
and she said that they were they were

1157
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,240
all set to film what was showing up in

1158
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:33,180
this field and I think in in Tennessee

1159
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:36,630
it was and so this big triangle came

1160
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:39,059
over and all their camera equipment all

1161
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,500
the batteries were dead on everything

1162
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:42,720
that sounds what some form of

1163
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:44,250
electromagnetic interference to me

1164
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:45,990
personally similar to have gentlemen

1165
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,820
you're speaking to earlier on right

1166
00:54:51,550 --> 00:54:49,920
right all interesting makes you really

1167
00:54:54,140 --> 00:54:51,560
wonder to us in it

1168
00:55:00,070 --> 00:54:54,150
of course the thing is now we live in an

1169
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:00,080
age where and I will use the dirty word

1170
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:02,850
where films and federer's can be so

1171
00:55:10,130 --> 00:55:06,600
easily faked yes you know and I mean

1172
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,140
yeah I would give my right arm for some

1173
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,760
of the technology we've got now that I

1174
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:13,680
could have used in the 1970s because

1175
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:14,910
then at least I would have the proof

1176
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:18,960
right right now when I referred this

1177
00:55:24,050 --> 00:55:22,170
show I've been out all day and

1178
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:24,060
fortunately didn't have a long time to

1179
00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:26,370
do some research but when I first looked

1180
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:31,230
on blind for warminster UFOs I noticed

1181
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:33,840
there's there's some that are fairly

1182
00:55:40,610 --> 00:55:36,750
recent on YouTube have you been keeping

1183
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:40,620
an eye on YouTube for any sightings that

1184
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:41,970
show up there because I know a lot of

1185
00:55:48,070 --> 00:55:46,140
people will just plain post a video

1186
00:55:50,810 --> 00:55:48,080
right from their phone or whatever

1187
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:50,820
without doing any research have you

1188
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:53,970
looked through that recently no I I

1189
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:57,240
don't do it religiously I I sort of

1190
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:59,340
check that sort of thing about once a

1191
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:02,400
week I mean there was a case of maybe a

1192
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:05,400
month six weeks ago now of something

1193
00:56:10,090 --> 00:56:07,980
being seen over the clay Hill area which

1194
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:10,100
has now been attributed to a drone ah

1195
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:14,070
yeah so yeah we have a lot of challenges

1196
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:18,510
don't we Chinese lanterns drones and

1197
00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:20,040
then CGI

1198
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:24,540
yeah yeah I mean I live now in a

1199
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:28,290
built-up area and New Year's Eve you

1200
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:29,970
know I hope I always go to bed early

1201
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:32,940
because I'm not a New Year's person per

1202
00:56:38,570 --> 00:56:37,050
se and you know I just look out the

1203
00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:38,580
curtains just before I went to bed and

1204
00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:41,220
you'd see this sort of 6 or 7 moving

1205
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:43,560
lights going across the sky and for a

1206
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:46,920
moment even though as a season Sky

1207
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:49,050
Watcher you know you get excited and you

1208
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:52,890
start thinking about is it a UFO you

1209
00:56:58,810 --> 00:56:54,150
think then don't be so bloody stupid

1210
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:58,820
they're Chinese lanterns yes you know I

1211
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:01,800
was a fourth of July

1212
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,790
couple years ago I saw my first bunch of

1213
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:07,680
Chinese lanterns and I'm telling you I

1214
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,110
understand why people call them in for

1215
00:57:15,710 --> 00:57:13,040
UFOs it looked pretty spectacular

1216
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,720
well me not any the bane of our lives

1217
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:17,880
but they're also blooming dangerous as

1218
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:20,220
well as far as I'm concerned yes yeah I

1219
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:22,980
know a number of their band in a lot of

1220
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:25,620
places because of that fire start it was

1221
00:57:30,590 --> 00:57:28,260
you know that those they were over here

1222
00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:30,600
yeah the rule of thumb is the candles

1223
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:33,510
supposed to go out and then you know it

1224
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:35,670
cools down and then you know goes down

1225
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:37,020
to the ground with a candle out that's

1226
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:38,160
what it's supposed to happen but it

1227
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:39,930
doesn't always happen they can actually

1228
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:42,510
catch on fire and go to the ground and a

1229
00:57:48,140 --> 00:57:45,840
burning mess so exactly there's been at

1230
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:48,150
least one case of an entire wheat field

1231
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:50,550
being burnt due to a Chinese Lanza

1232
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:54,060
yeah well speaking of wheat fields have

1233
00:57:59,150 --> 00:57:56,730
you ever I know this is way off topic

1234
00:58:02,320 --> 00:57:59,160
but you're in the country where there's

1235
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:02,330
a lot of crop circles does it oh yes

1236
00:58:10,730 --> 00:58:07,040
does any of that happen in the area of

1237
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:10,740
warminster I believe and it's a long

1238
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:12,540
time ago it's coming into the early

1239
00:58:17,300 --> 00:58:15,270
1980s I believe the modern era of the

1240
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:17,310
crop circle actually started around that

1241
00:58:27,860 --> 00:58:22,110
area yes aha and has anyone ever tried

1242
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:27,870
to tie the two of them in together I

1243
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:35,800
Lord how long ago did Beano been about

1244
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:41,040
five six years ago now I actually went

1245
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:43,350
down to warminster because we were in

1246
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:46,200
the process of organizing a convention

1247
00:58:55,940 --> 00:58:49,230
stroke conference down there and there

1248
00:58:57,710 --> 00:58:55,950
had been a crop circle on the slopes and

1249
00:59:02,240 --> 00:58:57,720
the fields below the slopes of clay Hill

1250
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:02,250
which is a very imposing landmark just

1251
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:05,250
outside warminster and I went to see it

1252
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:06,570
I mean obviously from the hill might

1253
00:59:09,620 --> 00:59:07,830
actually in the field because believe

1254
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:09,630
you me looking at it from on the slopes

1255
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:12,030
of the hill was Dan sight better it was

1256
00:59:19,580 --> 00:59:15,150
a beautiful almost three-dimensional

1257
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:19,590
Rubik cube design and whoever did it be

1258
00:59:24,110 --> 00:59:22,650
they ETS or young farmers they need to

1259
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:24,120
be congratulated because it was a

1260
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:25,620
beautiful piece of work

1261
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:29,460
I know I've watched a couple of videos

1262
00:59:36,380 --> 00:59:34,530
and seen images of some amazing works

1263
00:59:40,790 --> 00:59:36,390
and if it's actually done in the middle

1264
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:40,800
of the night with strings and you know

1265
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:43,610
what is it strings and poles and then

1266
00:59:51,140 --> 00:59:47,250
boards on their feet yeah I mean to

1267
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:51,150
measure them so accurately you know

1268
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:52,650
there are people that claiming that

1269
00:59:58,070 --> 00:59:54,210
they're doing these things and you know

1270
01:00:01,090 --> 00:59:58,080
maybe it's it's another mystery you know

1271
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:01,100
there's there's a lot of research where

1272
01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:03,690
you know people are claiming that

1273
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:05,820
there's something going on in some of

1274
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:08,370
these crop circles not not all of them

1275
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:11,610
but where the soil changes the structure

1276
01:00:16,610 --> 01:00:14,370
of the plant changes all that I don't

1277
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:16,620
know I'm on the fence about crop circles

1278
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,730
I really don't really don't know yeah

1279
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:22,680
and you're in the you're in the country

1280
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:23,940
where it all began

1281
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:26,220
and it it kind of leaves you to wonder

1282
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:28,740
you know if it's happening there why

1283
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:30,930
isn't it happening everywhere you know

1284
01:00:35,060 --> 01:00:33,180
it happens once in a while in the United

1285
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:35,070
States and Canada and a few maybe a few

1286
01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:36,740
other countries but you don't hear of it

1287
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:40,560
widespread worldwide has another if

1288
01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:42,900
they're hoaxes then you know they're

1289
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:45,060
obviously imitators for want of a better

1290
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:49,770
word but on the fly in the shuttle and

1291
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:51,330
second book which was called one is from

1292
01:00:58,100 --> 01:00:54,780
flying friends he has a picture of the

1293
01:01:00,590 --> 01:00:58,110
wheat field next to Cradle Hill in which

1294
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:00,600
he shows a photograph of what he calls

1295
01:01:08,570 --> 01:01:04,310
two UFO landing nests now that was in

1296
01:01:11,780 --> 01:01:08,580
1967 oh because you didn't really hear

1297
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,790
about you know crop circles until when

1298
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:13,740
like and we're talking the seventies or

1299
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:16,500
eighties on woods Oh 1990s is it that

1300
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:19,890
late 80s Oh 80s aha uh-huh yeah but then

1301
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:21,330
again I mean they have been around for

1302
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:23,490
for hundreds of years I mean there's a

1303
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:26,310
woodcut which people can hopefully look

1304
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:27,980
up on on Google

1305
01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:31,849
of a mowing devil and it's a stylish

1306
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:33,380
description of the devil actually

1307
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:36,230
cutting a crop circle in something like

1308
01:01:40,510 --> 01:01:37,630
the 17th century

1309
01:01:44,050 --> 01:01:40,520
that's something Wow

1310
01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:44,060
so what other you know you mentioned

1311
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:47,720
where the location of this is and and

1312
01:01:55,900 --> 01:01:52,130
the other things that are going on in

1313
01:01:59,020 --> 01:01:55,910
the area other there other besides the

1314
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,030
UFOs and the crop circles a lot of times

1315
01:02:04,420 --> 01:02:01,760
you hear about other events sort of in

1316
01:02:07,660 --> 01:02:04,430
the paranormal area yeah

1317
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:07,670
is that happening in that area too it is

1318
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:10,970
again I experienced something myself in

1319
01:02:15,550 --> 01:02:12,650
so much that on the second visit there

1320
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:15,560
we took with us the highlight of modern

1321
01:02:21,970 --> 01:02:17,210
technology in those days a cassette

1322
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:21,980
recorder and we decided to make like a

1323
01:02:29,950 --> 01:02:26,510
an audio diary of a visit to the hill

1324
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:29,960
one night and we got what was not

1325
01:02:38,109 --> 01:02:33,650
actually audible at the time a set of

1326
01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:38,119
clicks on the tape and it to me it

1327
01:02:45,010 --> 01:02:39,619
sounded like the sort of clicks you get

1328
01:02:47,710 --> 01:02:45,020
from a Geiger counter now like I say we

1329
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,720
did it again the following night with a

1330
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:49,520
different recorder new batteries

1331
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:52,010
different cassette same thing happened

1332
01:02:57,339 --> 01:02:55,369
again so what the cause that was I don't

1333
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:57,349
know because there wasn't any power

1334
01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:59,119
anywhere near as there were no power

1335
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:00,980
lines there wouldn't at the newest house

1336
01:03:05,859 --> 01:03:03,650
was about half a mile away the army camp

1337
01:03:07,180 --> 01:03:05,869
itself was about half a mile away we

1338
01:03:11,650 --> 01:03:07,190
were right out in the middle of nowhere

1339
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:11,660
and we got these strange sounds Wow

1340
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:16,160
so going back to sound since we're on

1341
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:18,290
that topic right now

1342
01:03:25,809 --> 01:03:22,430
did they or do they continue in the

1343
01:03:29,050 --> 01:03:25,819
warminster area you know first of all

1344
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:29,060
can you describe this thing about the

1345
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:30,950
birds falling out of the sky and stuff

1346
01:03:40,540 --> 01:03:34,310
like that what was happening that was

1347
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:43,780
yeah that was actually reported to

1348
01:03:47,350 --> 01:03:45,710
Arthur shuttle would buy hurt and

1349
01:03:49,150 --> 01:03:47,360
shuttle would never actually I don't

1350
01:03:49,890 --> 01:03:49,160
think experienced or saw that for

1351
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:49,900
himself

1352
01:03:56,650 --> 01:03:53,930
Hooten was a very character in so much

1353
01:03:58,270 --> 01:03:56,660
that later on he announced that it

1354
01:03:59,320 --> 01:03:58,280
should not be known as the warminster

1355
01:04:01,780 --> 01:03:59,330
mystery it should be known as the

1356
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:01,790
Krakatoa mystery which is a small

1357
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:06,140
village near that near the town he was a

1358
01:04:11,980 --> 01:04:08,510
colorful character shall we say so

1359
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:11,990
whether or not anything actually sort of

1360
01:04:17,710 --> 01:04:14,450
it can be actually put down to him I

1361
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:17,720
don't know I mean he died though about

1362
01:04:22,570 --> 01:04:20,000
ten years ago now so again sadly he's

1363
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:22,580
another one from the genesis of the

1364
01:04:27,690 --> 01:04:24,410
phenomenon who's no longer around to be

1365
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:27,700
questioned or interviewed right right

1366
01:04:32,890 --> 01:04:30,890
and what other types of things were

1367
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:32,900
effect you do say people felt like there

1368
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:34,400
were pebbles falling on the roof and

1369
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:38,000
stuff like that yeah and yeah what about

1370
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:40,010
vibrations you know I've heard people

1371
01:04:47,290 --> 01:04:44,960
talk about that before yeah sort of

1372
01:04:49,660 --> 01:04:47,300
sonic vibrations of Elliman the first

1373
01:04:52,450 --> 01:04:49,670
one the Marjorie by in submit is the one

1374
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:52,460
that immediately springs to mind but

1375
01:04:58,810 --> 01:04:56,810
more mr. woods is was a very unique UFO

1376
01:05:00,220 --> 01:04:58,820
case in there were no abductions as far

1377
01:05:01,870 --> 01:05:00,230
as I know I mean there was a report of

1378
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:01,880
some cattle being mysteriously

1379
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:04,690
teleporting from one field to another

1380
01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:09,250
but it was mainly the lights in the sky

1381
01:05:13,780 --> 01:05:11,830
for the majority of the phenomenon that

1382
01:05:17,170 --> 01:05:13,790
seems to be more it seems to be more

1383
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,180
famous for now you just mentioned cattle

1384
01:05:21,580 --> 01:05:20,000
so I have to ask you when I was asking

1385
01:05:24,780 --> 01:05:21,590
you about other things happening has

1386
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:24,790
anyone ever reported cattle mutilations

1387
01:05:30,130 --> 01:05:28,670
not as far as I'm aware mm-hmm I mean

1388
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:30,140
there are other people that research the

1389
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:31,510
war mister phenomenon whether or

1390
01:05:38,730 --> 01:05:34,400
information on that I can't say yeah

1391
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:38,740
yeah now have you ever Excel outside of

1392
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:44,000
this the warminster area or is that kind

1393
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:45,530
of your bailiwick on what you're

1394
01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:47,410
interested in

1395
01:05:52,510 --> 01:05:51,230
it's my primary focused but then again I

1396
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:52,520
do have any interest in the UFO

1397
01:06:00,490 --> 01:05:54,410
phenomenon full stop

1398
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,500
right so I don't you know in this

1399
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:02,720
country I think the only sort of famous

1400
01:06:06,850 --> 01:06:04,280
case is if you can call woman's too

1401
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,860
famous that I like that will be

1402
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:08,720
obviously Bonnie bridge up in Scotland

1403
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:10,250
which is a mirror to warminster

1404
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:12,830
apparently and the Rendlesham forest

1405
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:15,890
incident yes that always seems to come

1406
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,900
up when I speak to someone from your

1407
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:19,520
neck of the woods and when you were

1408
01:06:24,090 --> 01:06:21,470
talking about the warminster triangle

1409
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:24,100
would you be able to give an idea of

1410
01:06:32,730 --> 01:06:28,870
what type of size that triangle area is

1411
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:32,740
welcome people say it could be from

1412
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:40,850
Bristol to milk ksham bath that that

1413
01:06:46,780 --> 01:06:44,620
sort of entire area really and what ties

1414
01:06:49,930 --> 01:06:46,790
regard geography I couldn't give you a

1415
01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:49,940
precise sort of triangular idea of what

1416
01:06:53,980 --> 01:06:52,460
the actual area can encompasses but a

1417
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:53,990
lot of the a lot of the wheelchair

1418
01:06:59,860 --> 01:06:56,570
possibly Somerset area definitely yes

1419
01:07:03,880 --> 01:06:59,870
and would you say is that a few hundred

1420
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:03,890
miles in a direction or anything like

1421
01:07:08,170 --> 01:07:04,310
that

1422
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:08,180
like it's possibly a few hundred miles

1423
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:11,570
as regards lambda acreage I would

1424
01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:18,170
imagine yes I see in well here is

1425
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:21,260
another question in the forum are there

1426
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:24,050
reliable photos of what was seen or

1427
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:26,450
recordings of what was heard available

1428
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:29,050
today and if so where can we find them

1429
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:32,570
also again go ahead you mentioned

1430
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:36,650
YouTube earlier on obviously yes but

1431
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:39,020
again going back to I said earlier in

1432
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:42,650
those days people did not have the

1433
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:46,540
access to modern photographic oriole

1434
01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:48,290
recording devices

1435
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:52,100
I mean for example I think when I was in

1436
01:07:58,300 --> 01:07:55,760
wormans to the highest AAS a rating film

1437
01:08:01,960 --> 01:07:58,310
that I could get for the camera was in

1438
01:08:05,980 --> 01:08:01,970
color was a thousand a si now you could

1439
01:08:07,180 --> 01:08:05,990
actually boost it up to 1600 by

1440
01:08:08,410 --> 01:08:07,190
developing it and

1441
01:08:11,620 --> 01:08:08,420
whatever would come out in

1442
01:08:14,140 --> 01:08:11,630
black-and-white basically if your

1443
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:14,150
listeners don't know what an A essay

1444
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:16,730
number is the higher the number the

1445
01:08:21,340 --> 01:08:19,370
better you've got a chance of getting a

1446
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:21,350
photograph in low light I mean for

1447
01:08:27,519 --> 01:08:22,850
example I don't know if you can see that

1448
01:08:33,220 --> 01:08:27,529
here but yeah that is the famous Fault

1449
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:33,230
in a photograph taken in 1965 which has

1450
01:08:41,470 --> 01:08:38,210
now been basically said to be a fake and

1451
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:41,480
the reason why it's so grainy is because

1452
01:08:46,269 --> 01:08:44,390
that it the that particular image has

1453
01:08:48,189 --> 01:08:46,279
been blown up so much that the

1454
01:08:50,050 --> 01:08:48,199
individual grains of silver halide in

1455
01:08:51,420 --> 01:08:50,060
the negative are actually showing up

1456
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:51,430
mm-hmm

1457
01:09:00,880 --> 01:08:55,900
all right so why is it considered a fake

1458
01:09:05,709 --> 01:09:00,890
again it's down to various people I mean

1459
01:09:08,499 --> 01:09:05,719
Faulkner himself a claim that it was

1460
01:09:11,140 --> 01:09:08,509
genuine and then said it was a fake and

1461
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:11,150
then said no actually it is genuine and

1462
01:09:16,570 --> 01:09:14,330
no it's a fake no it is genuine so you

1463
01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:16,580
know with that sort of parentage behind

1464
01:09:21,579 --> 01:09:19,580
an image like that you have to think you

1465
01:09:24,939 --> 01:09:21,589
have to wonder and this is the person

1466
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:24,949
that it came from yeah the Faulkner

1467
01:09:29,050 --> 01:09:26,810
actually took the photograph handed it

1468
01:09:31,780 --> 01:09:29,060
to shuttle wood shuttle wood who as I

1469
01:09:33,220 --> 01:09:31,790
said was a provincial reporter must have

1470
01:09:36,099 --> 01:09:33,230
looked at it and thought oh you know

1471
01:09:38,050 --> 01:09:36,109
this could be a gravy train them and

1472
01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:38,060
sent it to one of the London papers

1473
01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:40,339
which ran a double-page spread on

1474
01:09:45,070 --> 01:09:42,529
warmest around the and the photograph

1475
01:09:50,260 --> 01:09:45,080
and so thoughtless never made any money

1476
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:50,270
out of this at all yeah it's still it's

1477
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:52,370
still I understand why you know you'd be

1478
01:09:58,959 --> 01:09:55,430
leery of something like that because if

1479
01:10:00,520 --> 01:09:58,969
the person that hands over the photo is

1480
01:10:03,180 --> 01:10:00,530
calling it a fake and going back and

1481
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:03,190
forth it doesn't doesn't hold very well

1482
01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:06,050
no it doesn't definitely yeah

1483
01:10:12,820 --> 01:10:09,699
now also in that same question this I

1484
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:12,830
think it was Bill is that his name yes

1485
01:10:19,650 --> 01:10:16,489
bill in the forum was a asking are there

1486
01:10:22,170 --> 01:10:19,660
hoax photos which that one

1487
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:22,180
probably is but are there other ones

1488
01:10:29,550 --> 01:10:25,510
that you can steer a listener away from

1489
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:29,560
I don't honestly know is the answer to

1490
01:10:33,330 --> 01:10:30,460
that question

1491
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:33,340
I mean shuttle would at the beginning

1492
01:10:39,930 --> 01:10:36,010
and through a quite a bit of the 1960's

1493
01:10:43,650 --> 01:10:39,940
had two other people on his skywatching

1494
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,660
team simple champion and a chap called

1495
01:10:49,380 --> 01:10:45,280
Bob strong now Bob strong was the

1496
01:10:54,990 --> 01:10:49,390
photographer and Bob strong took quite a

1497
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:55,000
few photographs of reported UFOs but as

1498
01:10:59,880 --> 01:10:57,060
I mentioned previously I passed my

1499
01:11:03,030 --> 01:10:59,890
course in photography and one of his

1500
01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:03,040
photographs is what I would class as a

1501
01:11:09,570 --> 01:11:06,820
typical negative kink in so much that

1502
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:09,580
the negative was actually just squeezed

1503
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:14,890
slightly and then developed and you get

1504
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:20,010
this crescent shape and white light on

1505
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:22,930
the photograph and that is claimed to be

1506
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:26,770
a UFO so photographs from warminster are

1507
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:29,940
rarer than hen's teeth trust me yeah so

1508
01:11:38,220 --> 01:11:34,200
you know I've yet to see anything that

1509
01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:38,230
to me says yeah that is a genuine UFO

1510
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:40,870
shot and were there other times that you

1511
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:43,450
yourself tried to catch something and

1512
01:11:52,620 --> 01:11:48,270
you said yes but again it boils down to

1513
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:52,630
the speed of the film and being in place

1514
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,210
at the time I mean you know and I took

1515
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:57,520
some photographs of an army flare that

1516
01:12:01,080 --> 01:11:58,930
was coming down because the army were on

1517
01:12:03,780 --> 01:12:01,090
maneuvers one particular night but I

1518
01:12:05,670 --> 01:12:03,790
didn't do it as a to fake anything I did

1519
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:05,680
it purely as a logistical exercise to

1520
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:07,030
see if those photographs would come out

1521
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:09,060
which they did because you have this

1522
01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:13,570
white blob with some smoke coming behind

1523
01:12:18,540 --> 01:12:14,860
it when I blew it when I blew the

1524
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,550
negative up which again looked like some

1525
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:20,520
of the photographs of Bob stronger taken

1526
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:23,410
oh wow Wow

1527
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:26,530
several people had reported seeing a

1528
01:12:32,490 --> 01:12:30,310
cigar-shaped craft in that area what are

1529
01:12:35,979 --> 01:12:32,500
some other shapes

1530
01:12:38,830 --> 01:12:35,989
that people have seen there well

1531
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:38,840
obviously the cigar shaped objects the

1532
01:12:44,350 --> 01:12:42,590
typical saucer time shapes but again a

1533
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,360
lot of them were seen at night and they

1534
01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:45,920
were Arthur that shuttle would Kris

1535
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:48,380
endures and the gamblers which were just

1536
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:50,870
sort of like reddish or orange balls of

1537
01:12:54,580 --> 01:12:52,489
light which would move erratically and

1538
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:54,590
at speed and in front of the sky

1539
01:13:01,870 --> 01:12:58,400
watchers Wow

1540
01:13:04,209 --> 01:13:01,880
if you had to guess how many sightings

1541
01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:04,219
were actually seen in the area would you

1542
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:05,900
say in the hundreds or would you say

1543
01:13:11,020 --> 01:13:09,050
even more than that I would say in the

1544
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:11,030
thousands in the thousands

1545
01:13:16,660 --> 01:13:13,730
isn't that amazing shuttle would himself

1546
01:13:18,459 --> 01:13:16,670
actually said that you know within two

1547
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:18,469
or three years of doing these regular

1548
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:20,840
sky watches he heard a mass something in

1549
01:13:24,970 --> 01:13:22,760
the region of two to three thousand

1550
01:13:27,790 --> 01:13:24,980
sightings now whether they were all

1551
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:27,800
whether they were all UFOs is open to

1552
01:13:34,209 --> 01:13:30,290
debate trust me well it also takes us

1553
01:13:35,650 --> 01:13:34,219
one right yeah in which the fourth the

1554
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:35,660
faulkner photograph actually proves

1555
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:37,010
because it you know it did hit the press

1556
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:41,210
in a big way right now when when

1557
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:44,330
something like this goes on like a flap

1558
01:13:51,729 --> 01:13:49,130
like this it makes me wonder why it's

1559
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:51,739
not being you know scientifically

1560
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:54,110
researched when it's so available or

1561
01:13:59,410 --> 01:13:57,170
it's not anymore as it used to be not as

1562
01:14:02,560 --> 01:13:59,420
frequent as it used to be but that

1563
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:02,570
question always arises when I speak to

1564
01:14:07,209 --> 01:14:04,910
someone that is talking about a flap in

1565
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:07,219
an area you know today we have better

1566
01:14:13,810 --> 01:14:09,290
technology for that there's people out

1567
01:14:17,709 --> 01:14:13,820
there trying to get equipment like the

1568
01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:17,719
UFO talk other places like that that are

1569
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:18,760
actually looking for

1570
01:14:26,050 --> 01:14:23,210
you know ground station places that can

1571
01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:26,060
take all different types of readings has

1572
01:14:31,150 --> 01:14:29,480
anyone to your knowledge ever thought

1573
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:31,160
about doing some something like that in

1574
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:36,050
the area I think and you know again to

1575
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:39,050
use the term mama kindly well-meaning

1576
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,480
amateurs places like the áfourá and the

1577
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:46,159
flying saucer review

1578
01:14:51,069 --> 01:14:49,400
they all did investigations into the

1579
01:14:54,959 --> 01:14:51,079
phenomenon all of which were

1580
01:14:58,060 --> 01:14:54,969
inconclusive but as regards serious

1581
01:15:00,370 --> 01:14:58,070
scientific investigation I'm afraid a

1582
01:15:02,469 --> 01:15:00,380
lot of professionals will steer away

1583
01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:02,479
from the subject because of the subject

1584
01:15:09,909 --> 01:15:06,409
matter right right but there are there

1585
01:15:13,770 --> 01:15:09,919
are people that are funding and taking

1586
01:15:17,379 --> 01:15:13,780
this serious Marc the Antonio for one

1587
01:15:19,989 --> 01:15:17,389
he's in the testing phase of the UFO

1588
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:19,999
talk to right now

1589
01:15:25,959 --> 01:15:22,610
testing the cameras and and the other

1590
01:15:28,509 --> 01:15:25,969
equipment and if that gets some really

1591
01:15:31,290 --> 01:15:28,519
good backing that's gonna go all over

1592
01:15:34,299 --> 01:15:31,300
the world not just the United States

1593
01:15:37,870 --> 01:15:34,309
yeah it will definitely but of course

1594
01:15:41,229 --> 01:15:37,880
what you what we need now is another

1595
01:15:43,659 --> 01:15:41,239
warminster is another balmy bridge you

1596
01:15:46,779 --> 01:15:43,669
know that's that's what we need because

1597
01:15:49,719 --> 01:15:46,789
they don't see unless I'm so totally out

1598
01:15:53,109 --> 01:15:49,729
of touch with things they just don't

1599
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:53,119
seem to be the flaps of UFO sightings

1600
01:16:01,929 --> 01:15:56,300
like they used to be I spoke to someone

1601
01:16:05,739 --> 01:16:01,939
in England that told me that he never

1602
01:16:07,179 --> 01:16:05,749
had a sighting he's into UFOs and all

1603
01:16:08,919 --> 01:16:07,189
that but he's never had a sighting and

1604
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:08,929
he says because the weather is always so

1605
01:16:15,429 --> 01:16:13,400
overcast so crap yeah is that were - is

1606
01:16:19,179 --> 01:16:15,439
that what you find a lot and in that

1607
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:19,189
area yes I mean I oh it always used to

1608
01:16:23,020 --> 01:16:21,050
make me smile but even though you know I

1609
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:23,030
would be up on cradle Hill during the

1610
01:16:27,219 --> 01:16:25,610
day as well as the night during the day

1611
01:16:29,529 --> 01:16:27,229
I was always alone because there seemed

1612
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:29,539
to me this mindset that UFOs were only

1613
01:16:37,839 --> 01:16:36,289
seen at night so yeah another reason why

1614
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:37,849
I think warminster if you'll pardon the

1615
01:16:43,330 --> 01:16:41,570
pun took off to a degree was that has a

1616
01:16:45,939 --> 01:16:43,340
lot of listeners may be aware in this

1617
01:16:47,799 --> 01:16:45,949
country we suffered very badly from smog

1618
01:16:51,219 --> 01:16:47,809
and pollution in the 1950s and the early

1619
01:16:53,469 --> 01:16:51,229
1960s due to the amount of fossil fuels

1620
01:16:56,649 --> 01:16:53,479
that were being burnt not only power

1621
01:16:57,939 --> 01:16:56,659
stations but at home in homes as well so

1622
01:16:59,770 --> 01:16:57,949
the government class something could

1623
01:17:02,740 --> 01:16:59,780
pass something called the clear air bill

1624
01:17:04,750 --> 01:17:02,750
which basically encourage people to go

1625
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:04,760
over to central heating rather than open

1626
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:06,800
fires and sort of you know monitoring

1627
01:17:11,890 --> 01:17:09,530
the discharge from the power stations so

1628
01:17:14,140 --> 01:17:11,900
over the years this got the sky slowly

1629
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:14,150
started to clear and people were

1630
01:17:19,780 --> 01:17:16,870
starting to see more of the night sky

1631
01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:19,790
than they had done for a generation or

1632
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:24,200
more that added to the dawn of the Space

1633
01:17:29,290 --> 01:17:26,350
Age and the dawn of mass air

1634
01:17:30,970 --> 01:17:29,300
transportation means that people were

1635
01:17:33,790 --> 01:17:30,980
looking up at the sky more particularly

1636
01:17:35,620 --> 01:17:33,800
at night and seeing moving lights now

1637
01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:35,630
again I'm not saying that every moving

1638
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:38,300
light was either an aircraft or whatever

1639
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:42,650
but again it just proves that war mister

1640
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,610
was on the cusp of a new era shall we

1641
01:17:52,930 --> 01:17:48,800
say so whether that again that had

1642
01:17:55,540 --> 01:17:52,940
something to do with it I don't know had

1643
01:17:59,260 --> 01:17:55,550
anyone ever reported in anything much

1644
01:18:03,640 --> 01:17:59,270
earlier in time in that area that you're

1645
01:18:06,310 --> 01:18:03,650
aware of there have been reports I mean

1646
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:06,320
I can't give you a verbatim but there

1647
01:18:14,860 --> 01:18:11,770
was one that was from around 1910 of a

1648
01:18:17,850 --> 01:18:14,870
fast-moving airplane

1649
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:17,860
trap illuminated traveling over the town

1650
01:18:27,460 --> 01:18:21,970
now I believe it was during the day and

1651
01:18:29,820 --> 01:18:27,470
this was only what nine years after the

1652
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:29,830
Wright brothers took off at Kitty Hawk

1653
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,490
so you know what was it they saw there

1654
01:18:40,810 --> 01:18:36,320
were reports in the 17th and 18th

1655
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:40,820
century of different colored balls of

1656
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:44,210
light fighting in the sky over the area

1657
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:50,690
so you know there always has been there

1658
01:18:54,820 --> 01:18:53,210
always have been sorry UFOs and they're

1659
01:18:57,130 --> 01:18:54,830
obviously always have been some form of

1660
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,140
UFOs or activity over the warminster

1661
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:00,080
area but not to the frequency and the

1662
01:19:06,910 --> 01:19:03,530
intensity in the 1960s right now what

1663
01:19:10,740 --> 01:19:06,920
about abductions does that ever come up

1664
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:10,750
when in regards to Warminster

1665
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:14,050
no I've got again I've got no reports of

1666
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:16,450
anybody being abducted but I have read

1667
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:19,170
reports either in shuttle woods books or

1668
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:22,930
heard from other people of particularly

1669
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:25,170
in the 60s and the early 70s of

1670
01:19:30,090 --> 01:19:27,610
mysterious strangers being seen in the

1671
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,100
town who I think one was actually run

1672
01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:32,320
over by a car and then who promptly

1673
01:19:40,500 --> 01:19:36,700
disappeared so again no it's not what

1674
01:19:43,020 --> 01:19:40,510
you would class as a classic UFO case by

1675
01:19:45,570 --> 01:19:43,030
any means it's quite some quite British

1676
01:19:46,710 --> 01:19:45,580
really I suppose quite subdued compared

1677
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:46,720
to some of the reports you hear

1678
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:50,940
worldwide right now I know in the States

1679
01:19:59,580 --> 01:19:54,540
you hear a lot about abductions

1680
01:20:03,090 --> 01:19:59,590
constantly and I just have never asked

1681
01:20:06,630 --> 01:20:03,100
this question of the UK from anyone from

1682
01:20:07,500 --> 01:20:06,640
there is that an ongoing situation that

1683
01:20:10,110 --> 01:20:07,510
you're aware of

1684
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:10,120
I'm not saying in our area but I'm

1685
01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:12,070
pretty certain that abductions go on

1686
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:15,910
throughout the UK but again it's getting

1687
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:17,950
them reporting getting Dean taken

1688
01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:20,410
seriously I mean you you I think are

1689
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:23,680
very lucky by being in America because I

1690
01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:28,270
think there is a more open mind to the

1691
01:20:32,820 --> 01:20:30,520
UFO phenomenon than there probably is in

1692
01:20:34,890 --> 01:20:32,830
this country particularly when I was

1693
01:20:38,010 --> 01:20:34,900
sort of active in Warminster for want of

1694
01:20:40,020 --> 01:20:38,020
a better word and I to a degree put this

1695
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:40,030
down to what I call the post x-files

1696
01:20:47,820 --> 01:20:43,860
generation in that the x-files basically

1697
01:20:50,580 --> 01:20:47,830
opened the subject by the media to a lot

1698
01:20:52,230 --> 01:20:50,590
more people and it's a lot more accepted

1699
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:52,240
now it's getting that way in this

1700
01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:55,210
country as well but you know in years

1701
01:21:01,740 --> 01:20:57,190
gone by people would not talk about it I

1702
01:21:04,260 --> 01:21:01,750
mean I when I'm at work you know I come

1703
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:04,270
into contact with people and you know

1704
01:21:07,980 --> 01:21:06,310
you discuss things with them they say oh

1705
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:07,990
what are your interests and I sort of

1706
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,370
say well you know I'm interested in the

1707
01:21:13,890 --> 01:21:11,440
war mr. phenomenal oh yeah war mister I

1708
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:13,900
remember that blimey

1709
01:21:19,050 --> 01:21:16,690
yeah I remember that so it's it's almost

1710
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,060
a case of here day here today gone

1711
01:21:23,660 --> 01:21:21,280
tomorrow with us I think this country

1712
01:21:25,189 --> 01:21:23,670
agree I mean

1713
01:21:29,900 --> 01:21:25,199
revolution forest I think will always be

1714
01:21:31,729 --> 01:21:29,910
with us yes due to a lot of the politics

1715
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:31,739
that are going up well that's a probably

1716
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,250
best way to describe it but you know

1717
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:36,719
things like war mister very parochial

1718
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:40,260
very it's a very British thing I mean

1719
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:43,920
even even people in the town don't know

1720
01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:45,960
much about it now I mean the town has

1721
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:47,940
grown in size over the years I'll he's

1722
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:51,120
probably doubled its population I mean I

1723
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:54,480
and again I can prove that by in 2015 on

1724
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:56,640
the August bank holiday which was the

1725
01:22:01,340 --> 01:21:58,260
50th anniversary of the town hall

1726
01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:01,350
meeting I organized a convention in

1727
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:05,219
Warminster and somebody came up to me at

1728
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:06,090
the end of it and said oh they

1729
01:22:09,530 --> 01:22:08,219
thoroughly enjoyed it you know it's that

1730
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:09,540
you know we've lived in this in this

1731
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:11,640
town for about five seven years we never

1732
01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:14,239
knew any of this ever happened

1733
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:17,820
so you know and a lot of the town people

1734
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:22,080
do poopoo it's you know whatever you

1735
01:22:27,919 --> 01:22:25,260
know so yeah whether it's a typically

1736
01:22:30,860 --> 01:22:27,929
British thing I don't know did the

1737
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:30,870
Ministry of Defense ever get involved in

1738
01:22:36,490 --> 01:22:35,010
any part of this they will have be a lot

1739
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:36,500
they should have been if not they were

1740
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:40,410
simply because of the sole people I sold

1741
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:42,570
be plain training ground which was right

1742
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:46,890
next to Cradle Hill so yeah well again I

1743
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:49,860
can I can get I can give you information

1744
01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:51,780
on something I was sent a few years ago

1745
01:22:56,419 --> 01:22:55,260
in that this woman contacted me because

1746
01:22:59,150 --> 01:22:56,429
she would obviously got a few questions

1747
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,160
about warminster and I answered them and

1748
01:23:04,330 --> 01:23:00,719
the reply came back to thank you very

1749
01:23:08,030 --> 01:23:04,340
much and say well my dad was a soldier

1750
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,040
at the infantry barracks there and he

1751
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:10,080
often used to go on what they call stag

1752
01:23:16,220 --> 01:23:12,449
duty now stamp duty is basically guard

1753
01:23:18,140 --> 01:23:16,230
duty and he said that she said that her

1754
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:18,150
father had told her that they were

1755
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:19,650
bought you know they used to get bored

1756
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:23,250
doing this guard duty so the day was

1757
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:26,670
sort of unofficially Skywatch and he

1758
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:29,580
said the one or two times when they saw

1759
01:23:34,820 --> 01:23:32,310
things which they a soldiers couldn't

1760
01:23:37,610 --> 01:23:34,830
explain and the one time they actually

1761
01:23:39,230 --> 01:23:37,620
reported it because a low-flying and

1762
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:39,240
the gambler was seen flying over the

1763
01:23:44,030 --> 01:23:40,950
camp over toward the Salisbury Plain

1764
01:23:46,340 --> 01:23:44,040
training ground of which at that time

1765
01:23:49,010 --> 01:23:46,350
that there were no activity there's no

1766
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,020
activity from the Army and that report

1767
01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:51,360
was taken seriously but it was

1768
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:52,100
inconclusive

1769
01:23:59,090 --> 01:23:56,940
so yeah they must they do they must know

1770
01:24:01,580 --> 01:23:59,100
all they do know about what happened

1771
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,590
there but if you're talking the Ministry

1772
01:24:04,190 --> 01:24:03,120
of Defence you are probably talking is

1773
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:04,200
veiled in secrecy

1774
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:07,170
now a lot of there's a lot of talk about

1775
01:24:13,070 --> 01:24:10,050
documents that have been released and

1776
01:24:16,130 --> 01:24:13,080
some you know more being released have

1777
01:24:18,500 --> 01:24:16,140
you ever had have you ever tried to

1778
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:18,510
search through I know it's really hard

1779
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:21,780
to sift through these documents but has

1780
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:23,850
anyone ever alerted you to any of them

1781
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:27,840
regarding the bombing well regarding

1782
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:30,510
them yes I've got a whole folder on the

1783
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:33,420
computer on an external hard drive of

1784
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:36,120
the mo D files that were released I mean

1785
01:24:39,890 --> 01:24:37,860
these days now you actually have to pay

1786
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:39,900
to view them but if you caught them in

1787
01:24:45,890 --> 01:24:43,290
time you could download them for free so

1788
01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:45,900
you know I have got but if I printed it

1789
01:24:52,580 --> 01:24:47,670
out I mean goodness knows how many reams

1790
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:52,590
of paper I get through but basically I'm

1791
01:24:57,860 --> 01:24:54,960
not saying they're useless but names

1792
01:25:03,350 --> 01:24:57,870
addresses locations and times are all

1793
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:03,360
blanked out yes well I understand I

1794
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:06,150
understand why they do that but

1795
01:25:16,580 --> 01:25:12,840
sometimes they you are right we got that

1796
01:25:22,930 --> 01:25:16,590
on film too I said we got that on film

1797
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:26,390
going back to the LOD yeah they have got

1798
01:25:35,150 --> 01:25:30,830
to be aware of what happened again

1799
01:25:40,670 --> 01:25:35,160
another story I was up there in 19 I

1800
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:40,680
think it was 86 and we my friend and I

1801
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:45,270
had gone down and we did a Sky Watch and

1802
01:25:51,169 --> 01:25:46,770
we decided not to go back home that

1803
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,179
night so we thought okay

1804
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:54,239
I'll sleep in the car Sardo neck muscle

1805
01:25:59,719 --> 01:25:56,369
in about 11 o'clock we decided to get

1806
01:26:01,759 --> 01:25:59,729
our heads down fell asleep and then I

1807
01:26:05,899 --> 01:26:01,769
got woken up by lights approaching of

1808
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:05,909
the hill on the road and an Army Land

1809
01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:09,090
Rover pulled up and I went down the

1810
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,630
window and what are you doing here we're

1811
01:26:15,799 --> 01:26:14,400
sky watching oh don't give us any of

1812
01:26:18,669 --> 01:26:15,809
that UFO crap what the hell are you

1813
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,679
doing here now we aren't going well

1814
01:26:23,839 --> 01:26:20,400
basically then I have to show my

1815
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:23,849
driver's license with the threat of

1816
01:26:32,020 --> 01:26:26,570
having a automatic rifle poked in a year

1817
01:26:35,419 --> 01:26:32,030
and we were escorted off the hill geez

1818
01:26:41,029 --> 01:26:35,429
so again does that answer your question

1819
01:26:45,469 --> 01:26:41,039
in that yes you know the MRD are aware

1820
01:26:47,509 --> 01:26:45,479
yeah well that's interesting so I was

1821
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,519
looking at your the time line on your

1822
01:26:55,609 --> 01:26:50,880
website and it talks about you know the

1823
01:27:00,350 --> 01:26:55,619
different sightings is that so there's

1824
01:27:02,660 --> 01:27:00,360
some really quite detailed I'm just

1825
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:02,670
trying to see was er of the same person

1826
01:27:07,969 --> 01:27:05,159
twice in any of these sightings or is it

1827
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:07,979
all different people throughout there

1828
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:10,590
have been witnesses who have seen

1829
01:27:15,890 --> 01:27:14,219
multiple sightings yes I mean obviously

1830
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:15,900
because I haven't got the information to

1831
01:27:19,399 --> 01:27:17,249
hand I can't actually give you their

1832
01:27:22,219 --> 01:27:19,409
names but yeah oh yeah there were people

1833
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:22,229
that sort of were particularly I think

1834
01:27:31,459 --> 01:27:26,729
in the area of the sonic sounds should

1835
01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:31,469
we say repeatedly visited right now I

1836
01:27:39,290 --> 01:27:35,249
know they did the film in the 19th 1990

1837
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:39,300
on the warminster UFO do you think

1838
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:40,739
they'll ever be another documentary

1839
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:44,639
about it I don't think a full-length

1840
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:50,400
documentary I've been in asked to take

1841
01:27:57,319 --> 01:27:54,449
part in two television programs of which

1842
01:27:59,449 --> 01:27:57,329
I'm waiting to hear more about the one

1843
01:28:01,629 --> 01:27:59,459
is by a group of amateur filmmakers the

1844
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:01,639
other one is by a production company

1845
01:28:07,399 --> 01:28:04,800
because sadly

1846
01:28:10,609 --> 01:28:07,409
a lot of people are not aware of

1847
01:28:13,939 --> 01:28:10,619
warminster and again I can tell you a

1848
01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:13,949
short story in that a few years ago

1849
01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:15,960
there was a four-part series produced

1850
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:18,679
called Britain's closest encounters and

1851
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:23,520
I was approached by the production team

1852
01:28:29,330 --> 01:28:26,639
to ask for the address of a researcher

1853
01:28:31,729 --> 01:28:29,340
who not only researched the UFO

1854
01:28:34,549 --> 01:28:31,739
phenomena in war mr. book then moved to

1855
01:28:38,419 --> 01:28:34,559
South Wales where the dahveed enigma

1856
01:28:39,859 --> 01:28:38,429
took place and I said well you know I'm

1857
01:28:43,339 --> 01:28:39,869
sorry but I've lost contact with the

1858
01:28:46,100 --> 01:28:43,349
said person you know but are you doing

1859
01:28:49,339 --> 01:28:46,110
anything about warminster and the answer

1860
01:28:54,140 --> 01:28:49,349
was what happened in Warminster so I had

1861
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,150
to go through the usual spiel and on the

1862
01:28:57,919 --> 01:28:56,639
strength of that in part two I think it

1863
01:29:02,359 --> 01:28:57,929
was which was called or think the Welsh

1864
01:29:04,250 --> 01:29:02,369
triangle I'm on that in sort of with

1865
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:04,260
them giving a five-minute spot to

1866
01:29:09,609 --> 01:29:07,320
warminster so you know even if these

1867
01:29:12,379 --> 01:29:09,619
researchers from television programs

1868
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:12,389
don't know about it then what chances

1869
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:14,130
that go to be of a proper documentary

1870
01:29:20,540 --> 01:29:18,900
night right right yeah I understand what

1871
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,550
you're saying you know possibly part of

1872
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:23,040
a documentary could include this as far

1873
01:29:29,450 --> 01:29:27,719
as great you know sightings in the UK or

1874
01:29:31,339 --> 01:29:29,460
something like that including Rendlesham

1875
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:31,349
forest which like you said always of

1876
01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,130
course gets in the mix well we'll shoot

1877
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:37,260
poorest has got sex appeal I don't think

1878
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:41,610
what mr. Harris yeah yeah it's it that's

1879
01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:42,840
a good one

1880
01:29:49,459 --> 01:29:47,460
British Roswell as they say now at one

1881
01:29:51,169 --> 01:29:49,469
point you mentioned about people

1882
01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:51,179
claiming there are beings in town in

1883
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:54,300
this forum question it says what do you

1884
01:29:57,979 --> 01:29:55,800
think of the stories of small beings

1885
01:30:01,100 --> 01:29:57,989
interrupting training at a nearby

1886
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:01,110
infantry training school have other

1887
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,570
beings been seen is this up basically

1888
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:05,520
the same story of what you were talking

1889
01:30:08,839 --> 01:30:06,650
about or is this something different

1890
01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:08,849
this I think is something different

1891
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:11,190
because I have to admit that I don't

1892
01:30:17,169 --> 01:30:14,960
know a lot about little people being

1893
01:30:21,469 --> 01:30:17,179
interrupting

1894
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:21,479
army exercises or whatever I mean there

1895
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:23,010
was a story that shuttle would himself

1896
01:30:29,509 --> 01:30:25,260
told me which I do taper the pincer salt

1897
01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:29,519
is that an army tank crew was buzzed by

1898
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:33,239
a UFO and shot a beam of light out on it

1899
01:30:40,609 --> 01:30:37,050
and the members the tag crew then had to

1900
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:40,619
be buried in lead-lined coffins now mmm

1901
01:30:47,330 --> 01:30:43,409
that to me is just a little bit too

1902
01:30:50,569 --> 01:30:47,340
going down the sensational East Avenue

1903
01:30:53,060 --> 01:30:50,579
personally right right hey if anyone

1904
01:30:54,799 --> 01:30:53,070
listening live in the chatroom would

1905
01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:54,809
like to pose a question go ahead and

1906
01:30:59,389 --> 01:30:57,689
post it up there and I'll ask Kevin for

1907
01:31:04,099 --> 01:30:59,399
you there's about a two minute delay

1908
01:31:08,119 --> 01:31:04,109
here so eventually I'll get that if they

1909
01:31:10,339 --> 01:31:08,129
pose the question so on your I've meant

1910
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:10,349
to ask you right off the bat you do want

1911
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:12,570
to give out your website I'm sure so

1912
01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:14,820
I'll do that for you there's a lot of

1913
01:31:24,679 --> 01:31:16,590
information for the listener to see

1914
01:31:25,759 --> 01:31:24,689
there it's WWF o - warminster a dot co

1915
01:31:29,629 --> 01:31:25,769
dot uk'

1916
01:31:32,779 --> 01:31:29,639
right that's the one yes and I really

1917
01:31:35,299 --> 01:31:32,789
like the timeline and did that did that

1918
01:31:37,099 --> 01:31:35,309
all come about from you going through

1919
01:31:41,779 --> 01:31:37,109
newspaper clips or how did you put that

1920
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:41,789
together well the information was put

1921
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:43,590
together by myself and Steve Julie my

1922
01:31:50,540 --> 01:31:48,239
co-author and he's basically transcribed

1923
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,550
everything onto the website I mean you

1924
01:31:56,089 --> 01:31:52,800
know we've both got busy lives and we

1925
01:31:57,799 --> 01:31:56,099
just can't keep updating it regularly in

1926
01:32:02,060 --> 01:31:57,809
fact if anything the UFO woman's -

1927
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:02,070
Facebook page is probably updating a lot

1928
01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:05,249
more regularly but yeah I mean it's it

1929
01:32:12,859 --> 01:32:08,300
was a case of going through books

1930
01:32:14,689 --> 01:32:12,869
magazines periodicals the works to get

1931
01:32:20,029 --> 01:32:14,699
the information then collating it into a

1932
01:32:21,919 --> 01:32:20,039
cohesive timeline I got it okay and the

1933
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:21,929
photographs I was looking at them you

1934
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:24,530
have I only got through the first page

1935
01:32:31,730 --> 01:32:26,820
nothing really

1936
01:32:33,740 --> 01:32:31,740
nothing that you can really see really

1937
01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:33,750
clearly unless these photographs really

1938
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:36,900
blow up they blow up somewhat but

1939
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:39,540
there's not not really any spectacular

1940
01:32:46,010 --> 01:32:43,980
photographs unless I'm missing something

1941
01:32:49,310 --> 01:32:46,020
no I don't think you're missing anything

1942
01:32:51,860 --> 01:32:49,320
I mean I you know I think that like I

1943
01:32:54,620 --> 01:32:51,870
said before you know the problem with

1944
01:32:58,340 --> 01:32:54,630
warminster is that you know we did not

1945
01:33:01,670 --> 01:32:58,350
have at the time in from the 60s through

1946
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:01,680
possibly until the late 70s we didn't

1947
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:04,050
have the technology to take good clear

1948
01:33:08,780 --> 01:33:07,050
photographs right whereas today you know

1949
01:33:11,330 --> 01:33:08,790
I mean I remember seeing one on

1950
01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:11,340
something on YouTube a couple years ago

1951
01:33:19,580 --> 01:33:13,980
with supposedly UFOs over Jerusalem

1952
01:33:24,290 --> 01:33:19,590
yes oh yeah hey hang on yeah that's a no

1953
01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:24,300
is that a fake you know so yeah it's in

1954
01:33:30,380 --> 01:33:25,860
the eye of the beholder to a degree I

1955
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:30,390
think you know I asked I could still you

1956
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:32,910
know I still I'm angry the fact that

1957
01:33:36,980 --> 01:33:34,380
those four photographs I took of that

1958
01:33:39,620 --> 01:33:36,990
cigar see I told yet never came out that

1959
01:33:44,060 --> 01:33:39,630
can you tell us about our thirst shuttle

1960
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:44,070
would sky watching team I can tell you a

1961
01:33:49,820 --> 01:33:46,410
little bit about the author himself as I

1962
01:33:54,230 --> 01:33:49,830
said was the was a journalist for the

1963
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:54,240
war mister journal he was at one stage a

1964
01:34:01,490 --> 01:33:58,440
counsellor for war mr. tau X Grenadier

1965
01:34:03,710 --> 01:34:01,500
Guards Minh and he was evacuated from

1966
01:34:11,300 --> 01:34:03,720
Dunkirk when the British forces

1967
01:34:15,620 --> 01:34:11,310
retreated died sadly in 1996 but did a

1968
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:15,630
lot of work keeping more Minster and

1969
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:17,730
getting warmest his name out there as

1970
01:34:21,950 --> 01:34:20,010
regard to the phenomenon a civil

1971
01:34:24,130 --> 01:34:21,960
champion I know very little about she

1972
01:34:27,980 --> 01:34:24,140
herself was I believe a housewife and

1973
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:27,990
Bob Strom the photographer is was an ex

1974
01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:30,510
RAF pilot who was obviously very keen on

1975
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:33,750
photography and that that was basically

1976
01:34:39,170 --> 01:34:37,440
the core of his initial skywatching team

1977
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:39,180
and then obviously later on people like

1978
01:34:42,910 --> 01:34:40,380
Ken Rogers

1979
01:34:45,979 --> 01:34:42,920
Rogers who wrote the warminster triangle

1980
01:34:48,379 --> 01:34:45,989
he moved to the town as did other people

1981
01:34:50,689 --> 01:34:48,389
and they all sort of came into that

1982
01:34:53,780 --> 01:34:50,699
group so Arthur was never really solely

1983
01:34:56,209 --> 01:34:53,790
doing it on his own he helped set up the

1984
01:34:58,939 --> 01:34:56,219
fountain Center in Warminster that's the

1985
01:35:01,729 --> 01:34:58,949
place where I used to stay at run by

1986
01:35:03,290 --> 01:35:01,739
Peter and Jane Padgett and then he moved

1987
01:35:07,060 --> 01:35:03,300
on and then helped set up another

1988
01:35:10,910 --> 01:35:07,070
organization called UFO info so he was

1989
01:35:16,399 --> 01:35:10,920
proactive on with the phenomenon in the

1990
01:35:22,220 --> 01:35:16,409
town definitely now when this this was

1991
01:35:23,959 --> 01:35:22,230
going on back in the 1960s and it

1992
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:23,969
started right after you said it finally

1993
01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:27,090
got some publicity did people did people

1994
01:35:35,740 --> 01:35:30,300
flock to the town in hopes of seeing

1995
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:35,750
something yes there is a famous quote

1996
01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:38,370
within the warmest of fraternity shall

1997
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:41,520
we say of one of the landlords of the

1998
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,620
public houses in the town saying that it

1999
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:45,360
was the only time he ever known the town

2000
01:35:53,810 --> 01:35:50,730
run dry of beer that was that was

2001
01:35:58,270 --> 01:35:53,820
possibly around again the August 1965

2002
01:36:02,060 --> 01:35:58,280
mark of the famous town hall meeting and

2003
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:02,070
apparently one of the fields in cradle

2004
01:36:06,350 --> 01:36:04,620
Hill was turned into a mini mini

2005
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:06,360
Glastonbury and so much there were so

2006
01:36:10,459 --> 01:36:08,580
many cars and tents on there you know

2007
01:36:12,020 --> 01:36:10,469
the they say there must have been up to

2008
01:36:16,729 --> 01:36:12,030
a thousand people up on the hills that

2009
01:36:18,919 --> 01:36:16,739
that weekend well now in back in 1965 I

2010
01:36:21,919 --> 01:36:18,929
saw in the timeline that someone

2011
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:21,929
observed a large red ball which we would

2012
01:36:26,570 --> 01:36:24,330
call like an orb an orb sighting which

2013
01:36:28,430 --> 01:36:26,580
you hear about quite a bit today was

2014
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:28,440
that a lot of what people were seeing as

2015
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,810
well yes I think again going back to

2016
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:35,760
what I spoke about earlier on

2017
01:36:41,930 --> 01:36:38,190
Arthur shuttle would refer to them as

2018
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,940
amber gamblers and again I had first or

2019
01:36:44,780 --> 01:36:43,440
I didn't sorry I didn't have first-hand

2020
01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:44,790
knowledge so I wasn't there but some

2021
01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:46,580
feta mites had first-hand knowledge of

2022
01:36:51,860 --> 01:36:49,320
they were holding a Sky Watch in another

2023
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:51,870
area believe it's called Upton Scudamore

2024
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:54,330
which is the small village just outside

2025
01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:57,090
Minister and again two of them had

2026
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:59,400
hunkered down in the car to sleep and

2027
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:01,320
they will rudely woken up by the two

2028
01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:02,760
others banging on the roof of the car

2029
01:37:07,190 --> 01:37:04,380
saying get out you've got to come and

2030
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:07,200
look at this and one of these amber

2031
01:37:12,230 --> 01:37:10,440
gamblers literally buzzed them and then

2032
01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:12,240
went off in that again the direction of

2033
01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,420
the plane so I think this light that

2034
01:37:22,690 --> 01:37:17,520
you're referring to is probably going to

2035
01:37:26,300 --> 01:37:22,700
be a rather large I'm a gambler ah yeah

2036
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:26,310
well I'm at this time I'm gonna say that

2037
01:37:31,700 --> 01:37:28,260
if anyone would like to call in and ask

2038
01:37:34,100 --> 01:37:31,710
our guest a question we've had trouble

2039
01:37:35,630 --> 01:37:34,110
with Skype joining calls but somehow I

2040
01:37:37,340 --> 01:37:35,640
noticed some maybe with the recent

2041
01:37:40,820 --> 01:37:37,350
download that's been fixed because I was

2042
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:40,830
able to connect the last person so if

2043
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:42,810
anyone wants to call in you're welcome

2044
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:44,870
to call in and ask our guest a question

2045
01:37:51,860 --> 01:37:49,290
that number is 603 if you're calling

2046
01:37:55,820 --> 01:37:51,870
from out of country it's one six zero

2047
01:38:02,270 --> 01:37:55,830
three nine six seven four OH three oh

2048
01:38:05,210 --> 01:38:02,280
and also you can Skype in and that's at

2049
01:38:12,170 --> 01:38:05,220
Marty Willis that's all it is Marty

2050
01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:12,180
Willis ma RT y WI ll is so let's just

2051
01:38:17,810 --> 01:38:15,960
see oh the guy in the chat room a guy

2052
01:38:19,850 --> 01:38:17,820
Mike wanted to know if there's anything

2053
01:38:23,390 --> 01:38:19,860
more you can give on the information

2054
01:38:26,690 --> 01:38:23,400
where the person claimed that he ran

2055
01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:26,700
over a being that vanished was there

2056
01:38:33,980 --> 01:38:29,340
more information on that there is a inch

2057
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:33,990
of woods books or as I say all I know is

2058
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:36,570
that it was able I think it was a foggy

2059
01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:41,940
night and the car was driving saw this

2060
01:38:49,100 --> 01:38:45,540
figure ahead of them and before the

2061
01:38:51,140 --> 01:38:49,110
driver could take evasive action the

2062
01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:51,150
person was hit by the car the driver

2063
01:38:58,730 --> 01:38:54,300
stopped got out and the person was no

2064
01:39:01,550 --> 01:38:58,740
longer there that is really bizarre you

2065
01:39:03,380 --> 01:39:01,560
know you do hear of crafts a lot of

2066
01:39:06,770 --> 01:39:03,390
times like a craft I'll just plain

2067
01:39:10,190 --> 01:39:06,780
disappear instead of you know you talked

2068
01:39:12,770 --> 01:39:10,200
earlier about seeing one take off and

2069
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:12,780
all that but still you never hear about

2070
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:15,060
I mean you also hear about them just

2071
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:19,440
plain disappearing so let me just give

2072
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:23,910
this over to the Skype we might have

2073
01:39:31,310 --> 01:39:28,500
someone calling in I think that might be

2074
01:39:33,130 --> 01:39:31,320
it for our form questions because you

2075
01:39:38,510 --> 01:39:33,140
already talked about Roger Hooton right

2076
01:39:41,450 --> 01:39:38,520
yeah yeah and at the anniversary there's

2077
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:41,460
one last question here you commented at

2078
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:45,090
the 2015 warmest warminster anniversary

2079
01:39:50,270 --> 01:39:47,160
that a lot more people are ready to

2080
01:39:51,710 --> 01:39:50,280
embrace the subject of UFOs today much

2081
01:39:55,220 --> 01:39:51,720
more in the past is that do you think

2082
01:39:59,000 --> 01:39:55,230
that's in the UK or do you think that's

2083
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:59,010
worldwide I think it's worldwide I mean

2084
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:01,260
I can only obviously speak for the UK

2085
01:40:06,980 --> 01:40:05,010
but you know when I was first going down

2086
01:40:10,730 --> 01:40:06,990
to Warminster when I was at college

2087
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:10,740
which would have been about 1976 to 78

2088
01:40:18,740 --> 01:40:14,850
something like that you kept your

2089
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:18,750
interest in this very quiet because you

2090
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:23,610
were ridiculed these days whether or not

2091
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:25,410
it's because as I say people are more

2092
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:31,890
open now to more esoteric ideas you know

2093
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:35,280
it's you can discuss it in a serious way

2094
01:40:42,170 --> 01:40:39,090
such as we are doing it tonight because

2095
01:40:43,670 --> 01:40:42,180
people don't take a step away from you

2096
01:40:46,130 --> 01:40:43,680
and have that faraway look in their eyes

2097
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:46,140
and to say I'm getting out of here right

2098
01:40:53,090 --> 01:40:50,250
so yeah and again I think it's to do

2099
01:40:57,500 --> 01:40:53,100
with things like Close Encounters of the

2100
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:57,510
Third Kind of film The X Files dark

2101
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:01,440
skies possibly you know all these main

2102
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:07,620
media programs I think have to a degree

2103
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:11,760
opened people's minds slightly and not

2104
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:13,290
only that but of course there was a

2105
01:41:18,110 --> 01:41:15,300
report a few years ago in this country

2106
01:41:20,450 --> 01:41:18,120
saying that church attendances were

2107
01:41:24,860 --> 01:41:20,460
dropping because people were no longer

2108
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:24,870
interested or wanted that kind of

2109
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:26,940
spirituality now whether people are

2110
01:41:34,220 --> 01:41:31,489
going over to a more cosmological

2111
01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:34,230
spirituality I don't know but you know I

2112
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:38,940
do think that people are more willing to

2113
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:42,690
embrace something like that now mm-hmm I

2114
01:41:47,420 --> 01:41:45,810
I agree I totally agree and hmm just in

2115
01:41:49,970 --> 01:41:47,430
the short time that I've been doing this

2116
01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:49,980
show which is oh my god am i coming

2117
01:41:55,220 --> 01:41:52,350
about five years I might be yeah I think

2118
01:41:57,170 --> 01:41:55,230
so or maybe even longer I don't know but

2119
01:42:00,740 --> 01:41:57,180
up for the length of time I've been

2120
01:42:04,580 --> 01:42:00,750
doing this I think that just with the

2121
01:42:08,420 --> 01:42:04,590
more awareness of you know possible

2122
01:42:11,300 --> 01:42:08,430
life-bearing planets out there in just a

2123
01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:11,310
short time that it's gonna be easier and

2124
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,210
easier and easier pill to swallow yeah

2125
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:18,800
it ever comes along oh I think you know

2126
01:42:26,270 --> 01:42:24,570
it's almost arrogance on a belay on on

2127
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:26,280
us to believe that we are the only

2128
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:29,040
intelligent life in the universe you

2129
01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:33,090
know I mean Catholic upbringing we were

2130
01:42:37,550 --> 01:42:35,730
created by God and then I did hear

2131
01:42:39,650 --> 01:42:37,560
something a while back that the Catholic

2132
01:42:41,630 --> 01:42:39,660
Church had now back step slightly and

2133
01:42:43,970 --> 01:42:41,640
said something on the lines of what if

2134
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:43,980
intelligent universe's life is found in

2135
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:46,290
the universe then it's all part of God's

2136
01:42:54,170 --> 01:42:50,250
making yes so it's almost like you know

2137
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:56,690
a question in the chat room out of all

2138
01:43:01,400 --> 01:42:59,250
the stories that you've heard and

2139
01:43:02,750 --> 01:43:01,410
researched well you know I'm gonna hang

2140
01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:02,760
on that because I have uh someone

2141
01:43:08,590 --> 01:43:05,130
calling in now and I'd rather take the

2142
01:43:12,590 --> 01:43:08,600
call and I'll finish that question later

2143
01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:12,600
hello caller you're on the air can you

2144
01:43:19,580 --> 01:43:14,310
tell us your first name and where you're

2145
01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:19,590
calling from South Carolina

2146
01:43:24,989 --> 01:43:21,780
hi Ryan thank you so much you have a

2147
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:26,939
part mcclure do you have a question for

2148
01:43:34,529 --> 01:43:32,320
Kevin I do um kind of a long-winded type

2149
01:43:38,609 --> 01:43:34,539
way yeah well I'm a long time skeptic

2150
01:43:41,599 --> 01:43:38,619
and the issue they do I take with this

2151
01:43:44,399 --> 01:43:41,609
is there's never any hard evidence and

2152
01:43:47,429 --> 01:43:44,409
my question Canada has never seen any

2153
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:47,439
really really or what's the hardest

2154
01:43:53,509 --> 01:43:49,689
evidence he's seen that proves we have

2155
01:43:56,399 --> 01:43:53,519
been visited by extraterrestrials I

2156
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,409
think the hardest evidence that I've

2157
01:44:01,889 --> 01:43:59,199
seen if you heard me talking about it

2158
01:44:02,819 --> 01:44:01,899
earlier on was the sighting of those

2159
01:44:06,119 --> 01:44:02,829
four red lights

2160
01:44:07,589 --> 01:44:06,129
in Warminster which the lead object flew

2161
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:07,599
away at speed and then did that

2162
01:44:14,609 --> 01:44:10,719
90-degree turn without stopping yeah

2163
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,619
that that was the whole reason why I was

2164
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:16,719
interested in in Warminster and the UFO

2165
01:44:22,349 --> 01:44:19,510
phenomenon insomuch that yes I wanted to

2166
01:44:25,079 --> 01:44:22,359
see it for myself and I did and boy did

2167
01:44:29,699 --> 01:44:25,089
that I don't say it changed my life to

2168
01:44:31,379 --> 01:44:29,709
the degree all right I'm hearing a

2169
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:31,389
little bit of an echo here it's probably

2170
01:44:37,549 --> 01:44:33,760
you probably have your your radio or

2171
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:37,559
your computer on so in the background

2172
01:44:44,599 --> 01:44:40,570
yeah you're gonna want them use that did

2173
01:44:48,020 --> 01:44:44,609
you mean more of a theoretical question

2174
01:44:50,579 --> 01:44:48,030
as far as that question goes like in

2175
01:44:51,839 --> 01:44:50,589
general what type of evidence has he

2176
01:44:53,270 --> 01:44:51,849
seen or were you talking about him

2177
01:45:00,329 --> 01:44:53,280
personally

2178
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:00,339
every in every UFO investigator has has

2179
01:45:07,770 --> 01:45:05,129
their standard of yes I mean for example

2180
01:45:10,169 --> 01:45:07,780
Stanton Friedman for example he likes to

2181
01:45:14,759 --> 01:45:10,179
point out that you know the cumulative

2182
01:45:16,259 --> 01:45:14,769
number of anecdotal evidence some some

2183
01:45:17,969 --> 01:45:16,269
physical evidence that you know in my

2184
01:45:20,459 --> 01:45:17,979
opinion can be replicated here on earth

2185
01:45:23,159 --> 01:45:20,469
and I'm just kind of asking for what he

2186
01:45:26,969 --> 01:45:23,169
considers the hardest evidence he's seen

2187
01:45:30,089 --> 01:45:26,979
I guess the best way to put it yeah as I

2188
01:45:32,759 --> 01:45:30,099
said it was those four red lights and of

2189
01:45:34,679 --> 01:45:32,769
course I have come across in the past

2190
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:34,689
people saying there didn't happen

2191
01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:37,289
whatever and I'm sorry but the only

2192
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:38,950
answer I have to

2193
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:42,610
is that you were there you know and if

2194
01:45:46,980 --> 01:45:45,520
that person isn't there then all they've

2195
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:46,990
got is your word for it

2196
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,450
and so you know it's subjective you know

2197
01:45:57,300 --> 01:45:54,400
if you were to if you yourself were to

2198
01:45:59,940 --> 01:45:57,310
go out tonight and see something that

2199
01:46:06,570 --> 01:45:59,950
you couldn't explain logically then you

2200
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:06,580
would consider to be a UFO yeah all

2201
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,050
right

2202
01:46:12,660 --> 01:46:09,760
hey I really appreciate the question

2203
01:46:13,410 --> 01:46:12,670
thanks so much for calling in all right

2204
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:13,420
thank you very much

2205
01:46:19,980 --> 01:46:17,650
all right hang up now take care now all

2206
01:46:24,690 --> 01:46:19,990
right so we had another question up

2207
01:46:28,260 --> 01:46:24,700
there and that is out of all the stories

2208
01:46:33,110 --> 01:46:28,270
you've heard research what was the one

2209
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:37,910
that's a big

2210
01:46:43,050 --> 01:46:40,680
well obviously the war mister phenomenon

2211
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:43,060
to start with obviously because again we

2212
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:44,770
have no answers but then again we have

2213
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:49,110
no answers for the UFO phenomenon per se

2214
01:46:54,990 --> 01:46:51,280
so if you weren't

2215
01:46:58,470 --> 01:46:55,000
if you thought war mister out of the

2216
01:47:04,650 --> 01:46:58,480
equation I would probably say then with

2217
01:47:07,890 --> 01:47:04,660
what I've read Rendlesham probably but

2218
01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:07,900
because there is so much fog around the

2219
01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:10,690
subject of Rendlesham at the moment then

2220
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:14,110
you know I I don't know but I would say

2221
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:16,180
probably you know did Rendlesham happen

2222
01:47:19,650 --> 01:47:18,970
yeah I think it did what happened I

2223
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:19,660
don't know

2224
01:47:28,890 --> 01:47:23,530
because again using that answer of mine

2225
01:47:30,930 --> 01:47:28,900
I wasn't there I know I've had just I've

2226
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:30,940
had a number of people from Rendlesham

2227
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:33,850
on my show in the past as a few that

2228
01:47:41,250 --> 01:47:38,800
have declined one Jim Penniston keeps

2229
01:47:44,100 --> 01:47:41,260
saying he's going to be on eventually I

2230
01:47:48,750 --> 01:47:44,110
really want to question him pretty hard

2231
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:48,760
about the the digital download he

2232
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:50,490
supposedly got

2233
01:47:57,580 --> 01:47:54,710
it I'm a little skeptical that one but

2234
01:48:01,670 --> 01:47:57,590
there is as you know a lot of infighting

2235
01:48:06,230 --> 01:48:01,680
between the witnesses at Rendlesham

2236
01:48:09,980 --> 01:48:06,240
forest and but you know there's there's

2237
01:48:14,230 --> 01:48:09,990
really solid there's solid evidence I

2238
01:48:16,990 --> 01:48:14,240
think in that particular one I I

2239
01:48:19,550 --> 01:48:17,000
consider it one of the top five

2240
01:48:22,460 --> 01:48:19,560
sightings of all time myself I don't

2241
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:22,470
know what your feelings are on that well

2242
01:48:26,900 --> 01:48:25,290
I agree with what you're saying about it

2243
01:48:27,730 --> 01:48:26,910
being one of the top sightings of all

2244
01:48:31,850 --> 01:48:27,740
time

2245
01:48:37,220 --> 01:48:31,860
but the problem is the water is getting

2246
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:37,230
muddied you know and I am steering well

2247
01:48:45,460 --> 01:48:41,810
clear of Rendlesham as such not

2248
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:45,470
geographically but the subject itself I

2249
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:48,090
mean I've been to Mendelson but that's

2250
01:48:52,820 --> 01:48:50,000
beside the point

2251
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:52,830
because it's not doing us any favors I

2252
01:48:57,800 --> 01:48:55,830
mean I always thought there was a lot of

2253
01:49:01,010 --> 01:48:57,810
politics and a lot of mudslinging in

2254
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:01,020
ufology in the 1970s and when I got back

2255
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:03,300
into it if you go about ten years or so

2256
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:06,420
ago now probably got back into it and I

2257
01:49:12,170 --> 01:49:09,690
was shocked and amazed that it's even

2258
01:49:13,970 --> 01:49:12,180
worse it's almost like people are

2259
01:49:16,990 --> 01:49:13,980
point-scoring off each other what I'm

2260
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:17,000
sorry but that's not the subjects about

2261
01:49:22,490 --> 01:49:19,770
well you know there's there are a lot of

2262
01:49:24,980 --> 01:49:22,500
flaws and I think you can blame some of

2263
01:49:27,770 --> 01:49:24,990
that on technology for instance there's

2264
01:49:30,620 --> 01:49:27,780
you know I'm talking to you in Russia on

2265
01:49:32,510 --> 01:49:30,630
skype through the internet that didn't

2266
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,520
exist you know when you were first

2267
01:49:36,650 --> 01:49:34,400
interested in this topic

2268
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:36,660
exactly I wouldn't be talking about it

2269
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:40,770
so in that case you know there is there

2270
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:45,360
is a lot of politics unfortunately there

2271
01:49:54,890 --> 01:49:49,050
are people that are really diehards

2272
01:49:58,010 --> 01:49:54,900
against their their golden egg sort of

2273
01:49:59,720 --> 01:49:58,020
falling apart so they'll protect it even

2274
01:50:02,630 --> 01:49:59,730
if new evidence comes along you know

2275
01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:02,640
I've seen that a few times yeah and okay

2276
01:50:06,620 --> 01:50:04,440
so you got basically out of the

2277
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:06,630
UFO field for a while and back into it

2278
01:50:13,430 --> 01:50:09,030
can you describe what made you leave and

2279
01:50:16,459 --> 01:50:13,440
what made you come back oh right well I

2280
01:50:20,110 --> 01:50:16,469
grew up basically for want of a better

2281
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:20,120
expression now I got married and

2282
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:25,050
obviously married life you have to make

2283
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:28,290
sacrifices you have to sort of

2284
01:50:34,220 --> 01:50:31,920
accommodate the partner etc etc you know

2285
01:50:38,660 --> 01:50:34,230
and I had a very happy 14 odd year

2286
01:50:40,910 --> 01:50:38,670
marriage until my wife died and I was

2287
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,920
going through a box we'd recently moved

2288
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:42,719
or seemed to make a habit of this and we

2289
01:50:48,650 --> 01:50:45,600
recently moved we'd recently moved and I

2290
01:50:52,820 --> 01:50:48,660
um found a box but we haven't unpacked

2291
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:52,830
and I done the very very very first very

2292
01:51:00,459 --> 01:50:56,520
rough draft of what became UFO war mr.

2293
01:51:03,410 --> 01:51:00,469
cradle of contact and I looked at it and

2294
01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:03,420
read what I'd written in about 3/4 of an

2295
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:05,130
hour and I thought my god I could do

2296
01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:08,930
better than that now so I sat down

2297
01:51:17,180 --> 01:51:12,900
hunkered down wrote everything up made

2298
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:17,190
some remade some old friendships with

2299
01:51:20,180 --> 01:51:18,449
people that I was he more mister with

2300
01:51:24,010 --> 01:51:20,190
that I'd lost contact with her and still

2301
01:51:29,930 --> 01:51:24,020
in contact with him now bless them and

2302
01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:29,940
then through a complete accident I was

2303
01:51:34,580 --> 01:51:31,800
doing an internet search on warminster

2304
01:51:35,930 --> 01:51:34,590
and this website came up and I looked at

2305
01:51:39,290 --> 01:51:35,940
it and there's a book there called in

2306
01:51:42,100 --> 01:51:39,300
alien heat the warminster mystery

2307
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:42,110
deconstructed by Steve Julian John Riis

2308
01:51:51,110 --> 01:51:46,650
and believe it or not I actually had met

2309
01:51:52,729 --> 01:51:51,120
Steve in October of 1976 when he came to

2310
01:51:57,260 --> 01:51:52,739
the research centre I was staying at to

2311
01:51:59,150 --> 01:51:57,270
report a UFO sighting and he very kindly

2312
01:52:01,670 --> 01:51:59,160
offered to have a look at the book and

2313
01:52:03,500 --> 01:52:01,680
then before I realized it he always

2314
01:52:08,570 --> 01:52:03,510
polished out and he polished it and

2315
01:52:10,430 --> 01:52:08,580
brushed it up and changed it and that's

2316
01:52:12,170 --> 01:52:10,440
now history so the books you know the

2317
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:12,180
books out there it's co-written by Steve

2318
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,489
and myself but that's the reason why I

2319
01:52:17,700 --> 01:52:16,560
got back into it because you know war

2320
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:17,710
mystery is a little bit like

2321
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:20,050
you know I've got you know it went back

2322
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:21,730
down there and I think you know this is

2323
01:52:25,500 --> 01:52:23,290
what I've been missing all this sort of

2324
01:52:28,890 --> 01:52:25,510
thing and then before you realize it you

2325
01:52:30,209 --> 01:52:28,900
you get drawn back into it again and I

2326
01:52:34,350 --> 01:52:30,219
don't regret it one bit

2327
01:52:38,220 --> 01:52:34,360
well that's good we're getting close to

2328
01:52:41,010 --> 01:52:38,230
the end of the show and oh yeah if it

2329
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:41,020
goes fast now one of the things I always

2330
01:52:48,300 --> 01:52:45,730
think about is or I get email quite a

2331
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,310
few emails and also I might as well say

2332
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:50,560
this while I'm talking about that if I

2333
01:52:56,820 --> 01:52:52,570
don't answer your email right away I

2334
01:53:00,120 --> 01:52:56,830
will try to eventually answer it so

2335
01:53:03,290 --> 01:53:00,130
don't be afraid to email me at Martin at

2336
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:03,300
podcast UFO comm but one of the

2337
01:53:08,010 --> 01:53:06,370
questions that a lot of people send me

2338
01:53:10,890 --> 01:53:08,020
is you know where where are the really

2339
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:10,900
big sightings you know I mean what's

2340
01:53:15,810 --> 01:53:13,210
happening we don't we don't hear of any

2341
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:15,820
major like Phoenix lights or Rendlesham

2342
01:53:21,150 --> 01:53:19,570
forest or anything like that so what is

2343
01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:21,160
your answer to that why do you think

2344
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:23,290
there's not with all the cell phone

2345
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:24,820
technology out there and everything that

2346
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:28,080
we have why aren't the really big heavy

2347
01:53:41,490 --> 01:53:38,880
that's a difficult one you know it could

2348
01:53:44,959 --> 01:53:41,500
be that to a degree like the warmest of

2349
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:44,969
phenomenon it served its purpose

2350
01:53:51,660 --> 01:53:49,330
possibly but if I knew the answer to

2351
01:53:54,030 --> 01:53:51,670
that question along with a couple of

2352
01:53:57,180 --> 01:53:54,040
other questions within the field believe

2353
01:54:00,930 --> 01:53:57,190
you me you would be speaking to me and I

2354
01:54:03,540 --> 01:54:00,940
would be in my 18 room mansion with the

2355
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:03,550
Rolls Royce outside the front door yeah

2356
01:54:08,810 --> 01:54:05,710
it gives the one thing that you will

2357
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:08,820
find is the this subject will never ever

2358
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:15,010
pay you back in any way yeah so I I

2359
01:54:19,229 --> 01:54:17,530
think to be honest whether or not you

2360
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:19,239
know it served its purpose I don't know

2361
01:54:27,570 --> 01:54:23,290
but whether or not people are becoming

2362
01:54:30,150 --> 01:54:27,580
so blase about in there you know oh yeah

2363
01:54:31,540 --> 01:54:30,160
lights in the sky must be a UFO Oh carry

2364
01:54:33,970 --> 01:54:31,550
on doing what I was doing sort of thing

2365
01:54:36,129 --> 01:54:33,980
you know and I mean the other thing

2366
01:54:39,580 --> 01:54:36,139
you've got to think is exactly how much

2367
01:54:46,740 --> 01:54:39,590
UFOs have now got into the human psyche

2368
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:46,750
per se right UFO means flying saucer

2369
01:54:52,450 --> 01:54:49,369
flying saucer leaned means little meek

2370
01:54:57,850 --> 01:54:52,460
little green men from Mars or Jupiter or

2371
01:55:02,470 --> 01:54:57,860
wherever percent all right so whether or

2372
01:55:05,229 --> 01:55:02,480
not now it's becoming or they've become

2373
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:05,239
so commonplace that people don't really

2374
01:55:10,780 --> 01:55:09,050
notice it or they're not you know this

2375
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:10,790
seeds and they don't want to sort of you

2376
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:12,170
know make anything more of it I don't

2377
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:14,210
know you know it's only some of those

2378
01:55:19,359 --> 01:55:16,730
people and I don't know any of them

2379
01:55:21,129 --> 01:55:19,369
thank heavens you know post these faked

2380
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:21,139
photographs and videos up onto YouTube

2381
01:55:28,479 --> 01:55:23,090
because they want their 15 seconds of

2382
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:28,489
fame yes there are there are a few of

2383
01:55:37,149 --> 01:55:33,530
them secure team ten and third phase of

2384
01:55:40,510 --> 01:55:37,159
the Moon a couple of these places that

2385
01:55:42,430 --> 01:55:40,520
produce basically hoaxed videos every

2386
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once in a while someone will actually

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01:55:45,729 --> 01:55:44,119
send them a real video because they

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01:55:48,339 --> 01:55:45,739
think they're you know the person to

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01:55:51,729 --> 01:55:48,349
send one to it really muddies the water

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01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:51,739
and it's all about making thousands of

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01:55:58,270 --> 01:55:54,260
dollars a month unfortunately and that

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01:56:01,680 --> 01:55:58,280
that does really destroy a lot when it

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01:56:05,459 --> 01:56:01,690
comes to people researching credible

2394
01:56:08,410 --> 01:56:05,469
UFOs I had actually someone from the

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01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:08,420
former agent from the Department of

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01:56:16,270 --> 01:56:13,000
Defense on my show a while back

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01:56:18,819 --> 01:56:16,280
Chris Mellon and he contacted me because

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01:56:22,419 --> 01:56:18,829
he was looking online and saw one of the

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01:56:25,390 --> 01:56:22,429
secured team 10 videos and asked me you

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01:56:27,370 --> 01:56:25,400
know is this real so even someone like

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01:56:32,020 --> 01:56:27,380
him you know anyone can get fooled by

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01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:32,030
these things that's is very true not

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01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:33,290
really too much we can do about it

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01:56:36,910 --> 01:56:34,150
either

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01:56:38,620 --> 01:56:36,920
it goes with the territory I'm afraid to

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01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:38,630
a degree

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01:56:43,959 --> 01:56:41,599
you know I mean odd members of various

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01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:43,969
UFO groups on Facebook and other sort of

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01:56:46,810 --> 01:56:45,199
groups and I mean

2410
01:56:49,839 --> 01:56:46,820
what are the ones that always makes me

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01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:49,849
smile is did we land on the moon

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01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:53,599
yes well sorry I lived through it and as

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01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:55,190
far as i concerned there's no way you

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01:57:00,250 --> 01:56:58,010
can fake it you must be talking about

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01:57:03,129 --> 01:57:00,260
mark d Antonio's recent post with all

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01:57:05,799 --> 01:57:03,139
the actual images of the lunar landings

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01:57:08,439 --> 01:57:05,809
that's on I've seen so many over the

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01:57:10,359 --> 01:57:08,449
years Martin yeah you know as I say it

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01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:10,369
just makes me makes my blood boil to a

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01:57:14,949 --> 01:57:12,260
degree I have to tell you something I

2421
01:57:18,339 --> 01:57:14,959
had someone on my show that said that

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01:57:19,839 --> 01:57:18,349
the lunar landings were all faked and

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01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,849
all that and I said well what about the

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01:57:24,759 --> 01:57:21,440
images where you can actually see them

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01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:24,769
and even the footprints you know and the

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01:57:28,810 --> 01:57:26,690
Rovers and all that you know what about

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01:57:30,430 --> 01:57:28,820
those images and they said oh we went up

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01:57:37,449 --> 01:57:30,440
there afterwards and put all that stuff

2429
01:57:38,919 --> 01:57:37,459
up there is really cool see it's you

2430
01:57:40,959 --> 01:57:38,929
know there's the the other the other

2431
01:57:43,839 --> 01:57:40,969
thing that people have to think about is

2432
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:43,849
that you know and company I can talk

2433
01:57:49,719 --> 01:57:46,880
about a UK conspiracy theory to a degree

2434
01:57:52,270 --> 01:57:49,729
here it's like the Princess Diana death

2435
01:57:56,319 --> 01:57:52,280
yeah you know people believe that she

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01:57:58,779 --> 01:57:56,329
was assassinated killed but how on earth

2437
01:58:01,600 --> 01:57:58,789
can you keep that secret how on earth

2438
01:58:04,779 --> 01:58:01,610
can you keep a film crew secret who had

2439
01:58:06,939 --> 01:58:04,789
been filming us you know what five-stage

2440
01:58:09,549 --> 01:58:06,949
moon landing six stage moon landings

2441
01:58:13,089 --> 01:58:09,559
yeah you could keep a lid on it

2442
01:58:15,580 --> 01:58:13,099
right right now I actually spoke with

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01:58:17,739 --> 01:58:15,590
Alan bean who was the I believe he was

2444
01:58:20,739 --> 01:58:17,749
the fourth man who set foot on the moon

2445
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:20,749
and I asked him what a what do you how

2446
01:58:23,859 --> 01:58:22,130
do you handle these people that think

2447
01:58:25,540 --> 01:58:23,869
you never went there and he says I

2448
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:25,550
absolutely don't even try to change

2449
01:58:29,410 --> 01:58:28,159
their mind he said I love he goes I let

2450
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:29,420
them think whatever they want to think

2451
01:58:32,410 --> 01:58:31,130
because they're going to anyway so

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01:58:35,379 --> 01:58:32,420
that's gonna wrap it up for us

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01:58:37,180 --> 01:58:35,389
Kevin tonight thank you so much it's

2454
01:58:38,350 --> 01:58:37,190
been a pleasure mo Alton thank you very

2455
01:58:40,449 --> 01:58:38,360
much sorry about the hiccups at the

2456
01:58:43,569 --> 01:58:40,459
beginning no trouble at all all right

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01:58:46,419 --> 01:58:43,579
you take care and use' thanks a lot

2458
01:58:48,189 --> 01:58:46,429
thank you bye-bye bye-bye all right

2459
01:58:50,919 --> 01:58:48,199
that's it for our show I want to thank

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01:58:53,649 --> 01:58:50,929
you for hanging in through the technical

2461
01:58:56,500 --> 01:58:53,659
trouble at first and I want to thank the

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01:58:58,149 --> 01:58:56,510
people that watched us live and joined

2463
01:58:59,080 --> 01:58:58,159
in the chat room and all that also the

2464
01:59:00,850 --> 01:58:59,090
people that called in

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01:59:03,790 --> 01:59:00,860
I also want to thank our guests and

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01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:03,800
Alejandro Rojas next week we'll be back

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01:59:10,209 --> 01:59:06,170
with Mark O'Connell and he'll be talking

2468
01:59:12,910 --> 01:59:10,219
about his latest book a new book on J

2469
01:59:14,919 --> 01:59:12,920
Allen Hynek Mark's been on the show

2470
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:14,929
before he's great so really looking

2471
01:59:20,070 --> 01:59:17,810
forward to that and thank you again for

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01:59:29,370 --> 01:59:20,080
listening and supporting the show and